Four U.N. Observers Killed

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    You've heard the story, complete with Kofi's insistance that Israel did it on purpose......

    So what ?

    Remember the UN Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People, where the map had Israel wiped off it ?

    http://www.eyeontheun.org/view.asp?l=21&p=142

    There's Kofi hisself, ain't it ? Israel probably hasn't forgot that.

    Then there's this little tidbit of news, not so widely covered....

    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200607/INT20060726c.html

    Haifa, Israel (CNSNews.com) - The four United Nations peacekeepers killed in an Israeli attack on their outpost were required to stay at that post "until they were ordered by the [U.N.] secretary general to withdraw," said a member of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization on Wednesday.

    But the peacekeepers apparently never received such an order, despite the fierce cross-border fighting that erupted in southern Lebanon two weeks ago.

    The four peacekeepers -- from China, Austria, Canada and Finland -- had taken security precautions and were in a shelter under their bunker when they were killed, said Wicki Dieter, the chief plans officer for the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO).

    (UNTSO is an unarmed U.N. body whose "observer" mandate dates from 1948. By contrast, UNIFIL -- the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon -- was created in 1978 to "restore the international peace and security" in southern Lebanon.)

    According to Dieter, it's still not clear exactly what happened at the UNIFIL outpost, which, according to the BBC, had been shelled by Israeli forces at least 14 times before Tuesday's deadly attack.

    On Tuesday, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said he was "shocked and deeply distressed" at the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the outpost.

    /lang4105 "This co-ordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long-established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," Annan was quoted as saying.

    Anan -- and China -- were among the first to condemn what Israel has called an unintended attack. They are demanding an investigation.

    Neither Annan nor Israel has said anything about why the unarmed peacekeepers -- who were supposed to be monitoring a ceasefire -- were left in what's become a war zone. Israeli officials flatly refused comment about that on Wednesday....
     
  2. genesis12

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    Yep, that ther is 'ole Kofi ~~ the blind leading the blind.
     
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    Terrorist ally Kofi Annan's assertion that the Israelis deliberately targeted them is ludicrous.
     
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    Kofi Annan is just one, of many, reasons why the United States should cease all support of the United Nations. I say the United States and Israel should pull out of the UN and then kick them out of New York.
     
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    That won't happen.
     
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    No, it won't. You are correct. However it needs to.
     
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    I'd rather lose the U.N. than lose the Israeli population of the U.S. I think there is a strong chance of an exodus if we don't do something about the brazenly open Jew hatred displayed by the leader of the most corrupt orginization on Earth.
     
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    We won't lose the Jewish population living in the U.S.
     
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    Yeah, yeah, yeah !!!!! I VIGOROUSLY SECOND THE MOTION !!!!

    KICK THEIR AZZEZ OUT OF THE USA !!!
     
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    It sounds like ya'll are endorsing the murder of 4 un-armed men. Killing unarmed men sounds like cowardice. The men never had a chance.

    We should be praying for their families, the protection of the unarmed civilians (& UN observers), and for peace in the region.
     
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    It looks like it, but it isn't.
    We're talking about the UN. Not its observers.
     
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    Yes, they did. They should have used their own common sense and headed north out of the war zone like everybody else was doing.

    If you want to sit in the middle of a war zone and watch the bombs fall, there is a good chance one will fall on your HEAD. That goes for the news media staff too who like to complain when a shell hits their five star hotel (remember Desert Storm ONE when CNN refused to go and the al Rashid did get hit?)

    That's right, be smart, watch the war on television and let some other jerk run around out there with the cameras. Give me a break---nobody here said that they were happy they were killed, but, I'm certainly not going to bend over backward condemning Israel because a bomb fell on an occupied building in a zone where they had warned and warned everybody to vacate or they might get blowded upded?

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, bombs don't care if you the enemy, friend or a great-uncle-all they want to do is go boom.

    By the way, I don't argue with your point about praying for the people, famlies and peace, but I will say that if people are stupid enough to stay in a war zone, whether or NOT they have received their evacuation orders then some of them are going to get blown away. That's real war folks, its not a video game Americans have tried to turn it into. Its real and people die and Israel has bent over backwards warning citizens in the area to clear out because they are going to come in and take out the weapons.
     
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    The U.N. could have, actually should have, ordered them to withdraw.

    Their deaths fall squarely at the feet of Kofi Annan. It is no wonder he is so loudly condemning Israel.
     
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    That would be ok, except that the UN general on the ground had assurances from the IDF generals that his personnel would not be attacked. It is not like someone cannot see a big, white box. I could understand if they were hidding in cammo, or hidden underneath cammo nets. They were in plain sight. Even a politician or a civilian could see that.

    Unarmed - Soldiers were assured their neutrality would be respected. That falls under every international convention that I know of. Someone in the chain of command failed. In a real Army - someone gets: demoted, fired, court-martialed, and/or imprisoned.

    If they target unarmed observers, what chance do unarmed Christians have?
     
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    From Gary Bauer's news letter:


    Annan’s Accusations

    After reports broke that Israeli forces had destroyed a U.N. outpost,
    killing four U.N. observers, United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan
    wasted no time in pronouncing judgment. In a statement issued Tuesday
    evening, Annan said he was “shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently
    deliberate targeting ... of a U.N. observer post in southern Lebanon.”

    Annan’s accusation that the Israeli attack was intentional was totally
    nonsensical given the tremendous pressure and scrutiny Israel is already
    facing. What I also can’t make sense of is why Kofi didn’t get his men out
    of there? He wasted no time in pulling U.N. personnel out of Iraq when the
    terrorist bombs started going off in Baghdad, yet he left U.N. observers in
    the middle of a war zone. Meanwhile, the press cranked out headline after
    headline suggesting Israel was guilty of “war crimes.”

    But now there is new information today that puts this incident in an
    entirely different light. One of the U.N. observers killed at the outpost
    had sent an e-mail to a former commander in Canada. Here is how he
    described the Israeli action, “This has not been deliberate targeting, but
    has rather been due to tactical necessity.”

    What “tactical necessity” would justify the Israeli strikes so near the
    U.N. outpost? The fact that Hezbollah fighters had taken up positions just
    a few feet away from the outpost, using the U.N. personnel as human
    shields.

    Just three days ago, a top U.N. official accused Hezbollah of “cowardly
    blending ... among women and children.” Hezbollah has been bragging about
    how few fighters they have lost, while civilian deaths are mounting.

    That is the nature of the enemy Israel is confronting. It celebrates
    death; it places no value on life – certainly not Jewish or Christian lives
    – not even fellow Muslims. Lebanese civilians are little more than cannon
    fodder to Hezbollah, and it hides behind women and children hoping the
    Israelis will restrain themselves. And if Israel does not hold back, the
    bodies make great propaganda, which the media is all too willing to
    disseminate.

    It isn’t too cynical to believe that Annan’s accusations against Israel
    were calculated – almost as if he expected this to happen and tried his
    best to turn world opinion against the Jewish state for acting in self- defense.

    Please feel free to pass on this "End of Day" update to interested friends
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    So it would seem the men who died KNEW it was not deliberate, and that hezbollah troops were using them as shields while they fired on the IDF troops.
     
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    Gary Bauer's is a third party source.

    Did the observers know they were being used as human shields? They are dead. Who are we going to ask? Only God knows now.

    But, from what has been reported, an unarmed outpost was targeted with a laser guided munition(s).

    Personally, I do not like Koki Annon, or the UN (unconstitutional nation), but what has been reported was that an un-armed outpost was 'targeted'. What has NOT BEEN REPORTED - that this was an accidental 'round out'. Two completely different scenarios.

    The USA has had a significantly lower civilian casualty rate since WW2 than any other military that I know of. And since Vietnam, we have taken civilian (and other non-combatant) casualties seriously.

    Unfortunately, Israel went to war without planning this one out. They no longer have the old generals that had already learned how to think in the heat of battle to lead them (*).

    They are in for a bitter battle. Propagandistically speaking, the IDF will probably do badly this time. They will kill a bunch of civilians, decoys, and Christians for each enemy combatant that they kill. From a propaganda POV, they will loose alot of face over this one.


    (*) I am not saying that their old dogs did not make mistakes, but that they had already worked out most of their battlefield mistakes.
     
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    Of course.
     
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    Well the compounds fence had a un flag next to a hb flag so something is not as innocent as ka wants us to think.
    According to the unfil site, hb IS firing from the area of un posts. so it is likely some un folks will be hit.
    the site is here
    http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/unifilpress.htm
    oh and hb has also hit at least 1 un post on the Israeli side, but the rocket did not explode as planned so no one died there.
    All innocent loss of life is regrettable, (well all loss is regrettable, but if some fires a gun at me i plan to fire back if i am able) but if some one fires a rocket in my town, i have sense enough to leave. i do not think ka has the best interest of his workers in mind, and is more interested in furthering the un agenda, which seems to be more and more, US and Israel bad, surrender to terroists good
     
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    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21786_Canadian_General-_UN

    Canadian General: UN Observer Post Used By Hizballah

    Retired Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie was interviewed on CBC radio, and had some very interesting news about the UN observer post hit by Israeli shells;

    the Canadian peacekeeper killed there had previously emailed Mackenzie telling him that Hizballah was using their post as cover. (Hat tip: Isadore.)

    The entire interview is a breath of fresh air:


    "We received emails from him a few days ago, and he was describing the fact that he was taking fire within, in one case, three meters of his position for tactical necessity, not being targeted. Now that’s veiled speech in the military. What he was telling us was Hezbollah soldiers were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them. And that’s a favorite trick by people who don’t have representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields knowing that they can’t be punished for it."
     
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