Franken for Senate

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  1. DeeJay

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    http://www.startribune.com/587/story/972540.html

    Ha, ha he is funny. :laugh:

    And his first lie ( as a politician)

    Far, far, far.............far left


    And already the race card, Hey this guy is a natural politican. He may have a chance. This it the best news the Republicans have had. :laugh:


     
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    Franken told Bill Maher almost 2 years ago that he was probably going to run. Stuart Smalley is a witty comedian, but what else does he do other than recite the latest Dem talking points? What's next? Rush Limbaugh for the House? Ann Coulter for president? Keith Olbermann for President? We don't need more partisan hacks in Washington.
    Hopefully the voters of Minnesota will be wise. :praying:
     
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    Will Rogers once told Congress that they were the real professional humorists:

    "When I tell a joke, people can laugh or not. When you guys do a joke, it's a law!"
     
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    A comedian of the political satirist variety which means he is well-informed.

    At last! Some one called "far left" who actually is!

    Race card? Um, "Jew" refers to religion, his own, not race.
     
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    Possibly the funniest political story I've heard is Franken's concerning some rightwing doofus who wrote in a column that liberals are kind of wimpy.

    Franken called him up, and said that they could test that by having a fist fight, liberal vs. doofus.

    He said he'd get back to him. Never did.
     
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    I think he means nationality, which we typically use interchangeably with race.

    My mother used to work for our doctor, who is Jewish, in nationality and religion. They were having a discussion one day, I forget about what, but it led to his stating that Mom's nationality was Christian. She told him that was her religion, not her nationality. He said, "Well, my nationality is Jewish, so I thought yours was Christian." Mom got a kick out of that.
     
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    Ok, I am confused.

    I realize that Jewish can be a religion and/or what I called race brother James called nationality.

    If Jewish is a nationality then only people who are citizens of Israel or those who practice the Jewish religion are Jewish.

    My question. Can't you be a citizen of a country other then Israel say the US and not practice the Jewish religion say you are Christian and still be Jewish because maybe you mom or grandmother was Jewish. Does that make Jewish a race?

    Or are do people like I described not Jewish? Honest question.
     
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    One more thing.

    If I as a Christian of German linage go to live in Isreal and become a citizen of Isreal, am I Jewish?

    If it is a nationality then Palistinians who are citizens of Israel are Jewish. That does not sound correct to me, am I missing something.
     
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    It makes about as much sense as saying one's nationality is African-American, even though Africa is not a nation and most African-Americans I know have never even been to Africa.

    Don't ask me why we have some of the terminology that we do. I have enough trouble keeping up with what I am.:laugh:
     
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    From Merriam-Webster online version:

    Definition of Jew:
     
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    This makes it a race also. Right?
     
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    Idunno???:confused:

    Where's a translator when you need one?:laugh:
     
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    Well here is a dictionary.com definition for race.

    And part of the definition you gave for Jew

    I say Daisy, you are wrong. Jewish is a race and religion.
     
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    Jewish is also not a nationality. Jews can be American, Israeli, Ethiopian, German, etc.

    So, can I convert to Oriental and change my race?

    Jewish is a religion, not a race. Jewishness crosses race lines as it does nationalities.
     
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    The real question is, was Franken refering to his religion or his "race"?

    Neither really - "New York Jew" is a cultural reference, further complicated by the fact that he grew up in Minnesota, not New York.

    The reference to "race" in his statement was the US senate race which is a different kind of race altogether. I don't think you can say he played the "race card" with that kind of race.
     
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    Jewishness also crosses religious lines, as you can be a Christian Jew or a Budist Jew.

    Jewish is a religion. BUT it is also a race because it is passed down threw common descent.

    If I am born and raised in a Jewish neighborhood in New York. Am I a "New York Jew"? Even if I am German and Christian.

    Obviously Franken is making refference to his linage of being Jewish. That is race.
     
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    Not really...how do you figure that one? What does that even mean?

    Not so common as the Jews dispersed all over the world.

    Yes, that is the joke of it - to more than a few, you would be.

    Of course, Franken was not born or raised in a Jewish neighborhood in New York, unlike Coleman.

    Nonsense, look at what you chose to quote: "Franken expects his years in New York to be an issue" which he states as "If I do run against Norm Coleman in '08, I'll be the only New York Jew in the race who actually grew up in Minnesota." He didn't say the only Jew in the race, did he? No, he said very specifically "New York Jew" which is NOT a race (in New York, the Hassidim are distinct from the European Jews and the Ethiopean Jews are considered a different race altogether).

    It is only "obvious" to you because you consider Jewish to be a race, not because he does.
     
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    It means you can be Jewish and not be a member of the Jewish religion. Your linage is Jewish but you are a Christian or whatever.

    What does your location have to do with your linage.

    Nobody would consider you Jewish if you are not either by linage or religion. No matter where you grew up. You would be that Irish guy from the Jewish neighborhood.
     
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    Jewish is not a race?


    Hold that, Jewish is a race?

    Wait, not a race again?


    Daisy, I will let you decide in your own mind if Jewish is a race or not. Then we can discuss. It is clear from the definitions that Jewish is a race as well as a religion. A person can be Jewish by linage (race) religion or both. Maybe you could do a little research on the matter and show some fact instead of just your opinion.
     
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    Right.
    No, Jewish is not a race. Ethiopian Jews from Africa are racially distinct from Sephardim (I said Hassidim, but I meant Sephardim, sorry) from Persia by way of Spain and Portugal and from Ashkenazim from Northern Europe. They all have the same religion, more or less, but are different races (as generally distinguished).

    No, not again, still - still not a race.

    I apologize for confusing you, but my position is clear if not clearly stated: Jewish is a religion, not a race.

    If Jewishness transcends race, how can it be a race?
     
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