Can virtue exist without freedom? It is evidently the held belief of at least some, if not all Muslim’s, that America, although exhibiting much freedom, is without virtue, as they see evidenced by our permissive, promiscuous, and materialistic society. This evidently gives rise to their feelings of being just in their cause to destroy us and any that would fail to convert to Islam. My question to the list centers on the two issues, freedom and virtue. The Muslim places the notion of virtue (in their case seeing it from their perspective as being identified by their religion and practices) above freedom, or so it would seem to me. Again, my question for the list is, 'Can virtue exist without freedom?' Why or why not?