Freemasonry vs. Christianity

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  1. O.F.F.

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    Here is a link to a comparison chart showing the differences between Freemasonry and Christianity. The source, the Southern Baptist Convention. Let me know your thoughts!

    Mike

    A Comparison Chart
     
  2. panza1_99

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    My thoughts...Freemasons are a cult.
     
  3. Bro Tony

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    If the SBC believes what is written on their own pamphlets, then I cannot understand why they won't make a stand. BTW, I agree with what is written in this pamphlet along with much more that is not written that should cause any Bible believing Christian to stay as far away from freemasonry as possible.

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    I'm not sure what I think of Freemasonry, since many of it's critics are wrong about other things. That said, I do wonder WHY any Christian man would join ANY fraternal organization, and take time away from his local church.
     
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    I am not a mason but have friends that are. I don't think being a mason is any worse than joining the rotary club. I think that it is a boys club for grown ups. the stuff going around about masonry being cultish cannot be proven. Unless a person is steeped in masonry they would never know and the masons won't talk. i think the accusations are a way of a few people making money off of books.
     
  6. Marcia

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    Too many people have come out of Masonry and spoken about it. Some became Christians while being Masons and left, and have revealed what Masonry is about. So we do now what is taught and there is enough info to show it conflicts with Christianity. You should check out the link to the chart posted above by O.F.F.
     
  7. Bro Tony

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    Atestring,

    Marcia is correct. There is enough genuine information available that no Christian should be ignorant of what freemasonry teaches. There is a vast difference between freemasonry and the rotary club. Just as you did in another post, if you would read what mason's have written the way you did the Book of Mormon maybe you would come to the same conclusion. Don't bury your head in the sand, it can be dangerous.

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  8. Ben W

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    So are we going to go 15 pages this time?

    Lets wheel out all the same arguments, I will start.

    The secret name of God is Jahbulon, acording to the anti Freemasons this means Jehovah, Baal, Osiris.

    People believe this just because Anti Freemasons assume it to be true.

    So lets have a look at a Freemason Primary Document stating this is the case. I would be intersted to read it, considering that I have never found it to have ever existed in research. Yet because people say that is what it means then that must be it right? Let alone actually prove it.

    Here is another Cab of the rank,

    Mormons are Based on the Freemasons.

    Apparantly Mormons wear aprons and have rituals like the Freemasons,

    I asked a friend of minw who has come out of the Mormon church if this is the case, and he said to me that he has never seen anything like that taking place in a Mormon church. Yet it is far easier to sit there and allege that there are links between Freemasonry and the Mormons.

    How many people in the US that need medical care because they have not got proper insurance have been turned away from the Churches and helped by the Shriners. Who was there real neighbour in that situation? How many people have been helped by the Shriners? Why would the shriners bother to help anyone being the satanic organisation they are accused of being by the antis?

    How many Christians over the years have been Freemasons? Willam Booth founder of the Salvation Army, the biggest revival known to man in the western world for one.

    Freemasons openly state on their websites that they are not a religion. Yet people feel justified religiously in stating that they must be lying. If they are trying to fool people, why are they comming out and telling people that they are not a religion?

    Freemasons rig the oscars, and rule the world. If people want to believe that go right ahead, some actual evidence to back up the claim might be helpfull.

    Freemasons are a Gentlemans Fraternity that was based in the Trades Guilds that operated in England when all the Stone Cathedrals were built, any religious references were taken from common language of the day. There were many society's like them, the Elks, Buffaloes, Scouting and Oddfellows being other examples

    Shall we do the one about the taking of oaths and how it is ok to take and oath on the Bible in court, or alternativley to take a pledge as a scout? we could get at least three pages on that one.

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  9. Jacob Webber

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    (That said, I do wonder WHY any Christian man would join ANY fraternal organization, and take time away from his local church.)

    I wonder tha same thing why do people spend so much time condeming Freemasonry and not witnessing the Saving Grace of Jesus Christ.

    As far as taking time away from the church. Why do we do anything because Work, Eat, Sleep and Worship God. Because if you use that taking away time from God than you need to not watch ball games, TV, go fishing or hunting, or anything else that takes time away from God. But Freemasonry theaches those that they are to give time to God each day. To love your neighbor be charitiable. This fouth of July they raised around 400$ for an elementry School.

    And yes while raising the Money we are able to witness Christ to people. Unlike those who are anti-Freemasonry state that we are not allowed to mention Christ or witness to others. The only time we are not to talk about polotics and relgion is during open lodge.

    seven people posted and not one mentioned the Saving Grace of Jesus Christ.
     
  10. Bro Tony

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    Is your friend a Temple Mormon or just one who was a member of the church? If he said that Mormons do not wear aprons in their Temple practices then he is ignorant. Anyone who knows anything about the Mormon church knows this is true within the Temple.

    To the original point of this thread you going to the extreme rather than dealing with the pamphlet put out by the SBC places you in the same category as those who make outlandish statements against the masons.

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  11. Bro Tony

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    Jacob,

    This is a Christian forum, and at least it is assumed that those here are Christian. To those of us who have a sincere problem with freemasonry the heart of the issue is this matter of the confusion in the lodge concerning the saving grace of Jesus Christ. ie... that there are those who believe that they can find salvation at the alter of the lodge.

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  12. Jacob Webber

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    (that there are those who believe that they can find salvation at the alter of the lodge.)


    They are wrong in their view than. Freemasonry states otherwise that Salvation can not be obtained in the Lodge. When you start running the Christians out of the Lodge than you run the people out who can best explain the degrees. Like what does the following mean.

    Faith in the Merits in the Lion of the Tribe of Judah is how you gain attmentance into Heaven.

    Know only a Christian knows the True meaning of this that Faith in the Merits of Jesus Christ is how one gains attmentance into Heaven.

    Also you have:

    God in the Threefold aspect of the Trinity.

    The Father the Son and The Holy Spirit.

    Now you take out the Christians you lose the ablity to when asked what do these mean. A Christian can explain the Saving Grace of Jesus Christ.
     
  13. Jacob Webber

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    And Yes the Mormons do have aprons they are green. The more or less have the same setup as a Masonic Lodge on the inside of the Temple. The have the same stationed offices not sure if they go by the same name or not.
     
  14. Bro Tony

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    This has alway been a strange argument to me, because it does not speak to the merits as to whether or not belonging to the lodge is a compromise of the Christian faith. If it is, then belonging to the lodge is wrong no matter what pragmatic purposes one espouses. Jacob, would you join the Mormon church in order to share the genuine Gospel? If you did join the mormons you would be compromising your faith and lose your voice. Those, IMO, who have joined the lodge have compromised their faith in Jesus (note I did not say they were lost) that compromise has at very least watered down the Gospel they proclaim to share. Jesus is not found in the lodge, God did not ordain and establish the lodge, the church is His body reaching the world.

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  15. Jacob Webber

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    Bro Tony were two or more are gathered in His name He is there. Jesus is found in the Lodge I have given two examples of it. Trinity and Lion of the Tribe of Judah.

    You are right it is Your Opnion. Belonging to the Lodge is not a compromise of my Faith. To a Muslim or Jew it would be because they would have to bit their tongue when God in the Threefold aspect of the Trinity is mentioned because this is clearly a Christian term for YHWH not a muslim or jewish term.

    To answer your question I would not join a Mormon Church to share the Gospel but I would join a club such as the Boy Scotts with them to help people in need. There is nothing wrong with doing that. I will witness to them every chance I get because in the club we have a common ground in which we can meet and talk.

    God did not ordain the company I work for But I know that Christ is found in it. Our Company motto is (In everything, we do to others what we would have them do to us)
    Now this is taking straight from the Golden Rule given by Christ and is what this company uses. Granted not every one here is a Christian but Christ is present.

    At our Homecoming in my Lodge alot of the members stood up and shared their testimony on how they came to know Christ as their savior.
     
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    I'm not taking a side here, but I'm curious as to why the "ecuminism" concern is not brought up in regards to the Boy Scouts. They require a belief in God, but don't specify that belief in the God of the Bible. Or what of other fraternal orgainzations that require the same? Or what of Alcoholics Anonymous??
     
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    (double post)
     
  18. Bro Tony

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    True but you did not bond yourself to your company. you did not swear and oath to them. You do not call nonbelievers at your work brother. I am sure your company does not claim to teach the Scripture or claim to give you a deeper understanding of the Scripture while the two supposed branches of the lodge you claim do. The lodge has nothing to add to the church. If it was of God it would not be secret and you would not mind sharing it with your Christian brothers.

    Just as you would have to bind yourself to the mormon church to be a part, you have bound yourself to the lodge. That binding is a compromise of your Christian faith.

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  19. Marcia

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    The Boy Scouts and AA do not hold themselves out as religious organizations (also AA does not require a belief in any supreme being -- 'Higher Power" can be your "higher" self, ideals, or whatever).

    Freemasonry does teach religious doctrines. The posts on previous Freemasonry threads had abundant quotes from Freemasonry materials and from links, that prove this.
     
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    They don't do their rituals in the stake churches but in the temples. They have special handshakes that come from Freemasonry. Joseph Smith was a Mason and he incorporated many of the Masonic rituals into the Mormon church. I have links if you are interested.

    As an interesting side note, Gerald Gardner, the founder of modern Wicca, was a Mason as well and he incorporated or closely imitated a lot of the Masonic rituals into Wicca rituals. So we end up with Masonic rituals in Mormonism and Wicca that are similar. That's pretty wild.
     

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