Freemasonry.....

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  1. D28guy

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    Hello there,

    O.K., I am not a Baptist, but I have had 2 Southern Baptist churchs as my home fellowship at different times in my 20 years as a christian. As a charismatic evangelical I certainly have a kinship with the Baptists. And as a firm believer in 100% eternal security, I praise the Lord \o/ for the Baptists stand on that issue!

    I have always heard that there is a substantial number of Baptists who are involved in freemasonry, and that the percentage is higher in the Southern Baptist churches than any other group.

    To me, to be involved in freemasonry is unthinkable.

    Is that so, about such a high percentage, or is it something that once was so, but now has declined, but the perception is still there that it is prevalent?

    And if there are any freemasonry baptists that care to, what is your justification? As I said, I cannot fathom being involved in freemasonry.

    I'm not trying to start a war here, just seeking information amd understanding.

    Let God be praised!

    Mike

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  2. Ben W

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    I'll jump in here and say I agree with your post Mike. If people really study Freemasonry, it becomes quite apparent that it is incompatible with Christianity.

    Vows for One.

    And Yah-Bul-On, taught after the third degree, the trinity of three Gods, Yahweh, Baal and Orasis (Egyptian deity) Yahweh is clear on those that follow after other Gods.
     
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    I have a busted up slab and need a stone wall done... I would get involved in free masonry if I knew someone who would do that for nothing.
     
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    And Yah-Bul-On, taught after the third degree, the trinity of three Gods, Yahweh, Baal and Orasis (Egyptian deity) Yahweh is clear on those that follow after other Gods.

    There was a thread several months ago that corrected this information, and much about Freemasonery.

    Freemasonery is a fraternal organization that requires their members to believe in a supreme being, and requires that masons be faithful members in good standing of their church, synagogue, etc. There are numerous fraternal and similar organizations that require you to believe in a higher power. The Boy Scouts, Elks, I think Kiwanis does. Also, self help groups such as Alcoholics Anonymous require the same. Also, I believe it was the SBC that issued a statement saying that membership in freemasonery does not compromise its Christian doctrines or beliefs.

    Be careful of the information regarding freemasonery on the internet. The subject seems to promote yellow journalism at its highest level. There are copious sights that accuse prominent religious people of being fremasons, such as James Kennedy, Billy Graham, Robert Schuller, Jerry Falwell, and even Charles Stanley, when none of those people are.

    On the flip side, while membership in freemasonery is not prohibited by many denominations, my personal view is, since it requires the keeping of secrets in many cases, membership in freemasonery may not be appropriate for married persons, since I don't believe that spouses should be required to keep secrets from one another. But that's something individuals need to decide, not me.
     
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    Robert The Bruce's army carried a copy of the ark of covenant into battle when he defeated the english.
    Robert got help from the Knights Templers who were expelled from France. Edinburgh has the oldest lodges in the UK.
    What is slightly worrying is that the directors of a great number of FTSE 100 companies are Scottish. As an English person, I grant you I might be thicker then your average scot but I do feel masonary might come into it.

    I feel when you apply for a job you should be forced to declare if you are a mason.

    Christianity should be against scandals and Masonary does cause a scandal in the job market (rightly or wrongly).

    Perhaps the Orange Lodges on the streets of Belfast causes a bit of a scandel too.

    I think the case for being pro-Masonary (from a christian point of view) is still unproved.

    Net.

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  6. Johnv

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    I feel when you apply for a job you should be forced to declare if you are a mason.

    Not sure why, unless it should be a requirement to list all of your civic affiliations. If someone's a Mason, you'll probably know it eventually, since that person will probably wear a pin or similar piece of jewelry signifying their membership.

    If you're insinuating that Masons only do business with other Masons, the Masonic code forbids such a practice. Likewise, the Masonic code also forbids someone from hiding or lying about their membership.

    I don't think Christianity in general is pro-Masonery, I think it's neutral. If you're in any organization and feel it hinders your expression of faith, then you should resign from that organization. There are countless Baptist men in any number of fraternal organizations that don't feel their faith is compromised, and should therefore not be hindered from being in those organizations. I, on the other hand, am not a fan of fraternities (I wasn't even in one in college), but just cause it doesn't work for me, that doesn't mean it won't for others.

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  7. D28guy

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    JohnV,

    You quoted...

    "And Yah-Bul-On, taught after the third degree, the trinity of three Gods, Yahweh, Baal and Orasis (Egyptian deity) Yahweh is clear on those that follow after other Gods."

    And then said...

    "There was a thread several months ago that corrected this information, and much about Freemasonery."

    Could you share what is the correct information on that topic? That is one of the things that trouble me greatly. How is that information incorrect?

    Or, what was that thread called, and is it in an archive section here?

    Thanks,

    Mike
     
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    "JAH BUL ON" is a compound word.

    The first syllable, JAH, a Hebrew word, meaning "I am". In a slightly different form, it also means "God" in Chaldaic.

    The second syllable, BUL, is from a compound Hebrew word from the preposition "Beth" (in or on) and Ul (Heaven or High. There is also a similar word in Assyrian which means "Lord" or "Almighty".

    The third syllable, ON, is from a Hebrew word signifying strength or power, and is expressive of omnipotence. There is also a similar Egyptian word which means "Father" (as in, father of all).

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  9. Eladar

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    Yes, the thread has been archived in the free for all forum archives.

    Here is a like:

    roots of freemasonry
     
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    Christians involved in freemasonry are like any other christians involved in something unbiblical and cultic. They have been fooled and blinded by satan.
     
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    Hi Katie!

    How are things in Horse Cave? I'm over here in Richmond!

    Blessings,

    Mike
     
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    Hi Mike, been seeing your posts here on the BB. Your a little ways from me. I'm down in Hart co. About 80 miles south of Louisville.
     
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    DEFINITIONS:

    Freemasonry - (noun) CULT, CULT, CULT, CULT

    Is that clear enough??

    You can read up on them at the Christian Research Institute the foremost authority on cults from a Christian perspective.
     
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    Katie,

    I almost went to Horse Cave a couple years ago, to see Norman Blake (you've probably never heard of him. A great acoustic guitar player), but couldnt make it at the last minute.

    We're about 25 miles south of Lexington.

    Is Hart Co near Muhlenberg Co.?

    Mike
     
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    Quite a ways from Mulenburg co. Lets see, I think Central City is in Mulenburg co. out near Beaver Dam, so it's almost 100 miles from me. Know where Mammoth Cave National Park is? We're a few miles from there. We're 35 miles south of Elizabethtown.
     
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    Katie,

    "We're 35 miles south of Elizabethtown."

    Now I know exactly where you are. I'll bet you border Hardin County, but maybe theres 1 county in between. Beautiful area around there. Of course, everywhere in Kentucky is beautiful!

    I play in a bluegrass band, and we had a booking recently about 20 miles south of here around Renfro Valley, up in the mountains, and it was all I could do to not stop every 5 minutes to stop and look at the scenery! I knew if I did that I would never get to the church, so I restrained myself!

    Honestly, every bit as beautiful as anything down around Gatlinburgh, but without all the terrible development that goes with a tourist trap that size. (I'm not knocking Gatlinburgh, I like going there. But its become so commercialized.)

    Peace,

    Mike

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    Tuor:

    Thanks for finding it and posting it. No need to go over the same arguemtns twice. Besides, I think that thread was a productive and informative discussion. Twas appreciated.
     
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    Actually theres a few miles of Larue co. between Hart and Hardin.
    Never been to Renfro Valley though.
     
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    Katie,

    Its nice. Its been there I think since about the 30's or 40's. All year long, a constant stream of some of the biggest country music performes come up from Nashville.

    My dad told me that he remembers when he was growing up hearing the radio broadcast from there back in the 40's up in Michigan.

    The "Big Barn" there is sort of Kentucky's "Grand Ole Opry".

    Lots of activities for kids, a couple of campgrounds. The Kentucky Country Music Hall of Fame is there. Its a big tourist attraction, but not out of control like gatlinburgh. It all nestled into a valley there.

    It real nice...

    Mike

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