Full-Preterism/Hyper-Preterism: A Damnable Heresy

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  1. ReformedBaptist

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    Rather than derail another thread with a bunny trail, I thought to start this one because the ugly head of hyper-preterism seemed to pop up. I briefly rebuked the doctrine laying its condemnation under the authority of Scripture in 2 Timothy 2 of the heresy of Hymenaeus and Philetus.

    For the record, modern hyper-preterism teaching that the Second Coming of Christ, the general ressurection, and the Great White Throne Judgment are past. What could be called preterism, and what is today styled as partial-preterism, is that some prophetic events described in the Scriptures have been fulfilled. This would be different from the futurist interpretations of prophecy.

    There seems to be some debate as to what exactly these heretics in Paul's day were teaching. It it not unclear that they were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place. The text itself in 2Tim 2 clearly tell us this. But was this a physical resurrection? A spiritual one? I don't think it matters. If it mattered that much, I suppose the Holy Spirit would have told us. What matters is that the effect of their teaching led Christians NOT to look for a future resurrection of the dead after the same manner as the Lord Jesus Christ and it over-threw the faith of some.

    This is exactly what hyper-preterism does. But it goes even further, just like a canker gets bigger, so has this heresy gone further than what we find in the text of Scripture. Not only does HP (hyper-preterism) deny a future resurrection, it denies a future return of Jesus Christ in bodily form! When dear Christians face their death, they have no hope of a resurrection of their bodies! Nor have they any hope of the coming of Jesus Christ! Brethren, this is a damnable heresy. It takes away the Christian's hope.

    The Bible teaches the physical return of Jesus Christ in the body that He died in. the very physcial body that was crucified was also raised from the dead. As Christians, we are crucified with Him and raised with Him from the dead. Christ is the first-fruits, and then we at His coming.

    "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body." Romans 8:23

    "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead." 1 Cor 15:19-21

    These texts of Scripture are not speaking of a spiritual resurrection, but a physical one. The body of human beings are not prisons for the soul of man. The body is good, not evil, as the gnostic heresy teaches. Yes, the body is corruptable and natural, and our new bodies will be spiritual (yet physical). But we as true Christians are waiting for the redemption of our bodies. The very ones that we are in! On what do we rest our hope? On the death and resurrection of Christ Himself.

    Hyper-preterism denies these things. It is also contrary to every orthodox creed and confession of the church from the very first ones we possess. Why is this significant? Of so many things the church has wrestled with over the centuries, the physical and bodily return of Jesus and the resurrection of the dead (physical) has been in every one of them. There has been no significant disagreement on this for 2,000 years. This places hyper-preterism so outside of historic Christianity that it is baffeling to me that men would even dare to espouse it.

    Don't be tricked into this old heresy my brethren. Hold fast to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

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    I posted this in the previous thread. Please answer it if you will. Thanks.
     
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    As soon as you answer mine. Don't demand answers when you refuse to answer questions posed at you.
     
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    I am not familiar with the Preterist view, but after some reading, this statement is exactly what I thought to myself. There is no hope. I feel despair at the thought that Jesus has already returned. Although I don't believe it's true because there are too many scriptures to the contrary.


    Act 1:9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
    Act 1:10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
    Act 1:11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."

    How does the Preterist square this Scripture with the belief that Jesus has already come, but not in physical form?
     
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    From a post in the other thread:

     
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    Well grasshopper, if you read my question to you above I asked if you would answer it, and thanked you in advance for answering it, so that is hardly "demanding" an answer from you. I posed my question the way I did on purpose so that it would not appear to be demanding.
     
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    Christ DIED for our sins. He ROSE AGAIN the third day. If Christ be preached that he ROSE FROM THE DEAD, how say some among you that there is no RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD? Christ is RISEN FROM THE DEAD, the firstfuits of them that slept. By man came DEATH; By man came the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. The last enemy is DEATH.

    The only way to wrest what Scripture teaches concerning the resurrection of the dead is to redefine "death." That is precisely what Preterists have done.
     
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    I read the Preterist Theory one evening. I read the Newspaper next morning. I no longer believed the Preterist Theory had any meaning. Satan is NOT bound, he is going around like a Roaring Lion devouring folks here and there.

    Titus 2:13 (Geneva Bible):
    Looking for that blessed hope, and appearing of that glorie of that mightie God, and of our Sauiour Iesus Christ,

    Two things we look for;

    1. that blessed hope (the pre-tribulation gathering of the saints
    2. that appearing of the Glory of God in our Savior Messiah Jesus
    (to whip the Devil & the devil's crowd)

    (The non-saved are NOT looking forward to the Lord's coming - they'll be zapped.)
     
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    Any student of the Bible would only need an evening to determine that preterism is heretical. It does not take weeks or months of study to realize a false doctrine. Your reply to Ed is demeaning and insinuates that he is ignorant for his belief. On the contrary, Ed is rather intelligent and was able to debunk an heretical doctrine with little effort.

    You know, if someone tried to pay me with a six dollar bill, it wouldn't take very much thought to determine that bill was fake. The same is true of preterism, it does not take time and study to determine those teachings to be false.
     
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    But it wasn't until he read the newspaper the next day did he discover preterism was wrong. Why? Because dispies use newspaper exegesis when it comes to eschatology. Read any dispie throughout the years, everything happening in the world at that time somehow was fulfilling prophecy. Sorry you take the same view. You use the NY Times, I'll use the Bible.
     
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    We are commanded by the Lord to watch and be ready. Looking at current events demonstrates the condition of society. In each generation, there are types of anti-Christ and conditions that prove society falls further and further into debauchery. Newspaper exegesis teaches us that man is sick and in need of divine intervention. As we look at current events, we hope that our Lord will soon return, just as godly men in each generation. To believe that our society is advancing morally, is to be blinded spiritually.

    I am curious, since you must spiritualize future events, do you also spiritualize past events? If the thousand year reign of Christ is not literal, then perhaps the rest of scripture. Do you believe the creation was metaphorical, along with the flood, and the exodus, the judges, the kings, and the life of Christ? If not, then how do you determine which parts are to be spiritualized and which parts are to be taken literally?

    Your practice of casting ignorance on those who disagree with your view is a weak tactic that demonstrates immaturity in your ability to defend your doctrine. The Bible is my final authority in all matters of faith and practice. I do not read the New York Times, but I am aware of the debased condition of our world. I am looking for that blessed hope, earnestly contending for the faith.
     
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    Amen, Brother Rdwhite -- Preach it! :thumbs:

    If you happen to have two of those 6$ bills, I'll trade you my 12$ bill for 'um. (there will be slight fee for handling & shipping, of course :) )

    There are several modes to arguing around here. The most productive is to assume that a large majority (90% to 95%) of the readers are well educated, friendly folk (male and female) who are actually interested in Spiritual Growth. If one does not assume that, one will show it in their writing and those 90%-65% will notice it also. I've been studying eschatology for 56 years as a Christian. I might know a thing or two about the subject.

    But nevertheless, thank you for your kind words about me. Are you the Rotor Rooter man? :)
     
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    This reply practically proves his point. :laugh:
     
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    Not sure what it proves, but you started the thread and have yet to offer any substance. Why start a thread like this if you are then unwilling to engage in it? Ed, though I disagree with him on this topic, will at least use scripture to support his beliefs and defend his positions. I get frustrated at those who start or jump into a thread and offer nothing in defense of their view. Your reply demonstrates my point.:laugh:
     
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    Grasshopper,

    Why not give us a definition of the resurrection of the dead?
     
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    I did some reading on Preterism and what I found was that this belief states that all prophecies (or most) have already been fulfilled. The rapture has taken place, the judgment has taken place and Satan has been crushed. I obviously missed the judgment because I can't recall facing Christ. I think that is something I would probably remember. :)

    So my question is, what is next? If everything has been fulfilled, what is this age that we're living in now? :confused:


    Maybe to my own embarrassment, I hadn't heard of this belief until recently. It never occurred to me that Jesus had already returned.
     

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