Fundamentalist Diversity

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  1. John of Japan

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    There seem to be a lot of misconceptions on the BB about the Fundamentalist movement by both its opponents and its adherents. I'd like to make this an informative thread, showing how many different kinds of Fundamentalist fellowships and associations there are, including non-Baptist groups.

    Please, no one make this a Fundamentalist bashing thread. Start your own if you want to disagree with Fundamentalist doctrine or practice, which is by no means always easy to pin down. Debate about the characteristics of different groups is, of course, welcome.

    Here is the pattern I am looking for, as illustrated by our fellowship here in Hokkaido.

    Name: Hokkaido Fundamental Pastors Fellowship, or HFPF, nickname "Huffpuff," which is what our preachers do in the pulpit! :D

    Constituents: all IFB, but from various groups: BWM, BBF, Japanese independents, non-board IFB, etc. Anyone is welcome who calls himself a Fundamentalist.

    School: Asahikawa Bible Research Institute, or ABRI

    Numbers: 6-10 missionaries and Japanese pastors come to the meetings. Others would like to come, but can't make the trip.

    Stand on versions: We have no unified stand on the versions issue. Most of us use the "Shinkaiyaku" translation (similar to the NASV), but there are a couple of die-hard "Classical Japanese Bible" advocates. There are no "KJV-type" Bibles in print in Japan.

    Stand on separation: We have no unified stand on separation, but all are separationists to one degree or another. [​IMG]
     
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    Good idea John. There are all kinds of fundamentalists who are self-identified or could be identefied as such. Their are fundamentalists who use CCM and those who are opposed to it; there are fundamentalists who use the KJV, and many who do not; there are fundametalists that are Calvinists and those who are Arminian, and those who call themselves "in between". Fundamentalists come in all shapes sizes, flavors and colors.

    I consider the IFCA churches genuine fundamentalists just as much as I would consider FBF chruches, in that they both hold to the essentials of the faith, and are both willing to defend those essentials against error.

    Personally, I consider myself fundamentalist in principle and evangelical in principle. That is to say that I do not believe I need to show loyalty to any movement, man or institution. I will allow the Holy Spirit to direct my steps and will practice the Baptistic distinctive of soul liberty.

    Good idea again John and God bless!
     
  3. John of Japan

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    We'll see where this goes, 4His_glory. For the record, I think it's a good idea, too. :D

    Anyone out there want to define the IFCA? The GARB? BBF? SBF? FBF?
     
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    Name: Don't have one- we are a loosely associated group of missionaries and national pastors working with the deaf in Mexico.

    Constituents: all IFB, but from various groups: BIMI, BBF, BIO, local church independent. Anyone is welcome who calls himself a Fundamentalist.

    School: God willing, starting September 2007 we will have one.

    Numbers: 6-10 missionaries and pastors come to the meetings. Others would like to come, but can't make the trip.

    Stand on versions: All of us use the Reina-Valera 1960 exclusively.

    Stand on separation: We have no unified stand on separation, but all are separationists to one degree or another.
     
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    Name: Companerismo Bautista Biblica de Mexico

    Constituents: Mainly BBF- allied missionaries and pastors, but anyone is welcome who calls himself a Fundamentalist. We have a couple who were BBF missionaries and changed boards due to one thing or another but they still work with us here in MX.

    Schools: there are several. One of the largest and best-supported by the national pastors in the Instituto Biblica Bautista in Cd. Mante.

    Numbers: 200-250 missionaries and national pastors. We hold regional fellowships on a monthly or bi-monthly basis as well as two or three national fellowships per year. We support around 10 missionary families from Mexico to various countries.

    Stand on versions: The majority use the Reina-Valera 1960, but there are a few who use the RV1909. None of them will start a war about it, however.

    Stand on separation: We have no unified stand on separation, but all are separationists to one degree or another.
     
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    I will wait on someone else to do the BBF. I might get it wrong! ;)
     
  7. John of Japan

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    I might get it wrong, too, Mexdeaf. You hear things out here on the fields of the world, but it is hard to pin it down. Anybody want to characterize where the BBF is nowadays? [​IMG]
     
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    John, wish I could, but my sources, including my ex-preacher, ex brother in law, bounces back and forth on what the BBF allegedly believes. I know there is division in the BBF right now, and several church are pulling out or have already done so. They believe the BBF has left fundamentalism. I can't verify whether they have or not.
     
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    If I may just put my tippie toes in here. The BBF is nothing like it was in it's beginnings.
     
  10. John of Japan

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    Well gentlemen, thanks to all of us for our great input on the BBF! :D [​IMG]

    In the mean time, as we wait for someone who is in the know, maybe I'll do a post on its predecessor, the World Baptist Fellowship (WBF).

    Name: The WBF was founded by J. Frank Norris (the "bad boy" of the early IFB movement) and others in 1933 after Norris had been blackballed by the Texas Baptist Convention for exposing the evolution being taught at Baylor U. It was first called the Premillennial Missionary Baptist Fellowship, then the World Fundamental Baptist Missionary Fellowship, and finally the WBF in 1950, when the BBF started by a split from the WBF.

    Constituents: typical Southern style IFB churches, based mostly in Texas, but with others in Ohio, Florida and a few other states. We were once supported by a strong WBF church in the Detroit area. They have a solid mission board, working mostly in Latin America but with a presence around the world.

    Numbers: around a 1000 churches.

    Stand on versions: The statement of faith of Arlington Baptist College stands for inspiration "as originally written," and does not have a statement on preservation.

    Stand on separation: pretty scrappy, in the tradition of old J. Frank Norris.
     
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    John,

    Just for the record, I have had occasion to fellowship with some WBF people and they aren't any different than the BBF people I know.
     
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    Good call, Mexdeaf. After all, the roots are the same. My caveat here would be that I've heard of KJVO controversy in the BBF but not in the WBF. That is, unless the WBF split in 1984 that produced that Independent Baptist Fellowship International was about Bible versions. Does anyone know?
     
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    John, I was told it wasn't. Don't know whether I believe it or not, though.
     
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    Chances are it wasn't, knowing the history of the WBF. Those guys really love J. Frank Norris--who loved a good scrap! :D
     
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    Name: Midwestern Baptist Fellowship.

    Constituents: Graduates of Midwestern Baptist College, in Pontiac, Michigan, founded by Dr. Tom Malone. Since Dr. Malone is from the South, this group probably has more in common with Southern Fundamentalists rather than Northerners. They are usually good pulpiteers in the mold of Dr. Malone, who was called by John R. Rice the best preacher in fundamentalism. I remember a story about a young graduate who called Dr. Malone and said, "Dr. Malone, I preached your outline on such-and-such a passage, and it took me two hours to finish!" Dr. Malone said, "Son, I took three Sundays to preach that one!" [​IMG]

    School: Midwestern Baptist College, founded in 1953. The college has gone downhill in numbers in recent decades, but they are making a valiant effort to recover.

    Numbers: Several hundred pastors, though probably only 30-50 come to the monthly meetings held in churches in Michigan. The largest number of graduates are still in Michigan, but some went off to do church planting in New England, and I even know one down in Texas.

    Stand on versions: Various levels of KJVO or KJV preferred, but they get along with each other.

    Stand on separation: All are strong separationists.

    By the way, for anyone who knows the Malones, Mrs. Malone is currently in the hospital ICU recovering from serious surgery--that is all we know right now.
     
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    I knew one of the late professors at Midwestern, Brother Phil Tharp. He went to be with the Lord last year or the year before. His son, Darren, taught there for a while also.

    Midwestern is a fair college from my perspective. We've had some bad experiences with some of their grads, including one of our former pastors who's now in MA.
     
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    Brother Tharp was a wonderful pastor who supported our work for many years. [​IMG]

    Too bad about your bad experiences with some MBC grads. Bad apples in every bunch, eh?
     
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    Here is the connection to the IFCA site so you can find out about them first hand http://ifca.org/
     
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    "Fundamentals" Fundamentalists

    To all who have an ear to hear:

    I am making a joke here so I hope all of you can take it without offense?

    "To all who have an ear to hear" may not be a good intro for this thread for the Fundamentalists? HA! :laugh:

    I do have (a) some sincere question(s).

    Is there any one Fundamentalist here on the BB that knows what the original Fundamentals were? And if so, have you read them/or own them?

    And if so, do anyone of you adhere to them as a doctrinal statement of your faith?

    Has the volume of the original Fundamentals b/c passé to the movement? Or, has the movement taken on a political nuance? i.e., politics in the church not Democratic or Republican politics.

    FWIW!

    sdg!

    rd
     
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    at the risk of being shown a complete ignoramus, Im going to try to respond to your last post, Rhet. :thumbs: Be kind.......


    Are you speaking about a specific book or creed that laid out the Fundamentals for us? As I understand it, the movement covers such a broad group that there never was one specific creed which spelled out the "Fundamentalist Movement" except for their belief in the basic, traditional views of Scripture.

    ie Trinity, (deity of Christ), virgin birth, salvation by grace, authority of the local church, creation in 7 24hr days.....literal view of Scripture unless specifically stated in the passage.....

    Im sure others can put it better, but this is a start. :)
     

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