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Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges & Seminaries' started by exscentric, Nov 28, 2005.

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  1. exscentric

    exscentric Well-Known Member
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    This is probably old news to most of you but thought some might find it of interest.

    Liberal Colleges and the SBC
    Kim Trobee, Family News in Focus

    Southern Baptists are tiring of colleges that take their money and ignore their teaching. An increasing number of state Baptist conventions are finding themselves severing ties with Baptist colleges and universities over differences in doctrine. The latest example is in Georgia where the state association voted overwhelmingly to discontinue funding to Mercer University. J. Robert White, the Executive Director of the Georgia Baptist Convention, said "This is just another in a long history of incompatible experiences that have taken place... I think the convention is weary of being told that things are corrected and then learning later that things have merely continued but underground." The agency will withdraw nearly 3.5 million dollars in annual support to Mercer and sever all ties with the school. Kenyn Cureton of the Southern Baptist Convention stated, "When a majority of the state convention messengers decide that a college or university no longer reflects their Biblical foundations, it's not uncommon for them to withdraw their support. We back up their decision whatever it is." Wake Forest, Baylor and Belmont are also no longer supported by their state conventions because of liberal policies.
     
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  2. Broadus

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    This is a needed move, though it comes at least 30 years later than it should have come. While this will remove a relatively negligible amount from Mercer's income, it sends a message to other GBC-affiliated schools which cannot afford to be as independent as Mercer. BTW, I've been hearing of positive moves out of Brewton-Parker and Truett-McConnell colleges in Georgia.


    Bill
     
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  3. gb93433

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    I don't trust any of the religious leaders of the SBC and CBF. Both are so full of religious nonsense.

    Certanly there was religious liberalism creeping into the SBC years ago. But the problem we have today is an SBC and CBF religion of ignorance and playing follow the leader. Boht have their agenda with a skewed truth.

    While I was a student at SWBTS on the Houston Campus of HBU and saw to my surprise the daily horscope in the school newspaper and then heard form the leaders of the SBC how things needed to change I could not help but wonder what hypocrites. I also saw pictures of the people who had given large sums of money. Where was the picture of the poor person who gave their last dime? Honor the rich and leave out the poor. Have a horoscope and shun those who speak up against such nonsense. Then later when I saw the BFA fall I thought again after having been warned by several pastors what hypocrites. The SBC regularly published the giving and baptisms among its churches--nickels and noses. What hypocrisy!! My experience in the SBC was what I saw was not always consistent with what the leaders always proclaimed.

    They claim to have made conservative changes. But many problems are still there and some have gotten worse.
     
    #3 gb93433, Nov 28, 2005
  4. Rhetorician

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    gb93433,

    If you know anything at all about SBC polity, you will know that there is axiomatically a cultural lag b/t what is done on the national SBC level and what is done on the state SBC level. This especially goes to the actions of the state conventions w/regard to the colleges.

    You seem to want an instant change or "conversion.". Did you leave the Baptist college immediately when you found they were more liberal that you preferred? Did you drop out immediately? Did you voice your concern to any of the people in leadership? I think not! You probably stayed "to get your money's worth!" And I would have too! But, if it was as bad as you make out and grated on your conscience as much as you say, then you should have left sooner. Or, did you like Lot; "have your conscience vexed from day to day?"

    Evidently you voted with your pocketbook rather than your feet. I do not fault you for that in the least. Just give some creedence and grace to those of us who are working for the resurgence, revival, and reformation of the SBC.

    I was in the acutual meeting when Southern's Dr. Roy Honeycutt retired/resigned. I went to The Southern Baptist Seminary b/f and during Al Mohler's tenure. I also have a degree from MABTS which has been at the heart of the SBC Conservative Resurgence.

    I want you and all others to know; I have been willing as a traditional, historical, and conservative Southern Baptist to do both both schools and both degrees in order to have a real world class education. It was b/c I stayed and worked through the issues that it has helped to make my two degress worth so much both personally and vocationally.

    It takes a great deal of time to turn around a great ship like the Titanic. (Note: I am not equating the SBC with the Titanic metaphorically!). Please give us time as we continue to sort out all of the things that need to be changed. We are going about it in the correct way. It took years and years for things to get into the shape they were b/f 1979 and Adrian Rogers.

    Truth will prevail and God will vindicate the truth; but sometimes--it takes time!

    sdg!

    rd
     
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  5. nate

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    I would disagree! I think the SBC is one of the better churches in NA. They do many great things. Sure they are not perfect because they are just humans but the SBC is by far IMO the best Baptist group out there.The IFBCoA is nothing more than a breeding ground of KJVO'ism. The GARBC and BGC are also good denominations the rest of the Baptist are either to liberal or to conservative i.e. no music in serivces.
    In Christ,
    Nate
     
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  6. John of Japan

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    Never heard of a Baptist church with no music in the services, Nate, at least not since the 17th century! :confused:
     
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  7. Squire Robertsson

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    He must mean no musical instruments.
     
    #7 Squire Robertsson, Nov 28, 2005
  8. nate

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    Thanks for clarifing me Squire! Often I do not do that yes I meant musical instruments. Sorry for the error of my first post.
     
    #8 nate, Nov 29, 2005
  9. Squire Robertsson

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    I think you are over reaching with this statement. I know I would take issue with it. But then, your sentiment is reflects the SBC centrism of many on this board.
     
    #9 Squire Robertsson, Nov 29, 2005
  10. nate

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    Almost my entire extended family are IFB they all cling to KJVO'ism several 3 great uncles and 2 uncles are pastors that are extremely KJVO.I grew up in the Bible Belt so my view of the IFBoA may be skewed. That said even in Northwest MT we have 7 IFB churches which are quite small the largest running 110 people are all also KJVO. Ruckman has come here, Gipp has come here, and even Cloud has come here. I have only been in one IFB church that did not hold to KJVO'ism. To those IFB churches that do not hold to KJVO'ism I apologize I did not mean to 'lump' you in with other churches.
    Nate
     
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  11. Ed Edwards

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    Speaking of the SBC leadership, gb93433 says:
    //They claim to have made conservative changes. But many problems
    are still there and some have gotten worse.//

    'They' aren't the only ones claiming 'conservative changes'.
    The Nobember 2005 MAINSTREAM MESSENGER of the
    Mainstream Okahoma Baptists, has the subtitle:
    "Facing Fundamentalism in Word and Deed and Truth!"

    Here we go from page 8:
    "Special Book Offer:
    John Merritt's book on THE BETRAYAL
    of Southern Baptist Missionaries is
    the essential resources for information
    about the devastating effect that the
    fundamentalis takeover of the SBC
    has had on Baptist mission efforts in
    Europe."

    All I get from these type statements is that
    the BB (Baptist Board) and the SBC are considered
    hoplessly fundamental by the liberal leaning Moderates
    and hoplessly liberal by the hyper-Conservatives.
    Sorry, Ed here is NOT buying HOPLESSNESS this week :(
     
    #11 Ed Edwards, Nov 29, 2005
  12. Bible-boy

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    Hello Nate,

    This is just a reminder to you and anyone else who would wish to turn the focus of this thread from its original topic to a debate over KJVOism. This is the Baptist Colleges/Seminaries Section of the Baptist FELLOWSHIP Forums. This is not the place to discuss KJVO or MVs. All such discussions belong in the Bible Version/Translations Section of the Baptist DEBATE Forums. Any further discussion of KJVO here and the posts will be deleted without notice.

    Yours in Christ,

    Bible-Boy,
    Forum Moderator
     
    #12 Bible-boy, Nov 30, 2005
  13. John of Japan

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    It is good to read of conservative SBC leaders taking this stand. Unfortuantely, on some mission fields the damage may be irreversible. Here in Japan the seminary of the Japan Baptist Convention has been known for its radicalism going back to the Viet Nam War.
     
    #13 John of Japan, Nov 30, 2005
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