Gaining control of Saudi Arabia....

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  1. JeffM

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    Does anyone else see what Al Quaida is doing in Saudi Arabia?

    If they use terror to continue to manipulate governments, especially the Saudi government, they could effectively take control of the worlds oil supply and can you imagine what this would do to the rest of the world, especially America?

    Besides the oil supply, Saudi Arabia owns most of the worlds gold, and if I am not mistaken, doesn't the anti-christ demand the use of gold in his economy?

    It would bring us to our knees in virtually a day or two. Maybe this is one of the reason America is not a player in the end-times events.
     
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    I see what Al-cia-da is doing all over the world, not just Saudi Arabia. Terrorize the global population into submision in order to control everything and bring us to a glorious new age of the one world government.

    We had a gold standard at one time, but the kind of economy that it creates does not favor the old European banking houses like the debt based economy we have at this time. Nothing controls the chattle like keeping them in debt and taxing them until they have nothing left to pay...then you can forclose and take the real property they (leased from the government) owned.

    I don't expect our economy to survive much longer reguardless of what happens in other parts of the world. Or dollar is being phased out in favor ultimately of some form of cashless control grid. Bio-cards and RFID chips. With the not so new smart cards we'll have no need of the paper fiat money we use now. No more long waits at the WalMart checkout line. Just grab what you want and walk out, you'll be billed monthly or weekly or daily. Your smartcard will be scanned cleared and or rejected by the readers at the door, no need to even take it out of your pocket. All your income, assets, debts, payments and what ever else can be programmed into the cards will be available to anyone on demand, as long as they have the clearance.

    In order to control the worlds population effectively, you have to control their cash (gold, silver, other metals) cash is freedom. Bio-cards, credit cards, debit cards, home loans, car loans, monthly payments is just a form of slavery that we have excepted, brought to us by the same old European banking houses that holds the mortgage on America. Soon to be foreclosed on I think.

    Gold and silver in your pocket is a good bet against paper dollars and debt anyday. Paper fiat money can be printed up by the carload and wealth created from thin air by keeping the population in perpetual debt and holding the "deeds" to everyone's income and property over their heads. Bankers want to own everything, and they do, pretty much.

    So, you think you own your home, your property? Try missing a couple tax payments and see who the real owners are, they'll come a knocking, you can bet your sliver dollar on that.

    I'm willing to bet on the bankers and their (cronies) friends to control the middle east, can't see why they would give it up now, that may be a reason that the Arabs are into gold. They saw it comming along time ago and decided to do what they could to protect themselves.

    If a country has gold and silver in it's pockets instead of paper currency and debt, it's harder to control and bully. The World Bank is pretty busy these days offering loans to countries and using water rights and systems, electricity, natural resources, and such as collateral against them. Then on to impolding the economies of these countries to gain the assets. It's an old bankers thing. Nothing new and nothing to secret about it. Rich men have always controlled the peasants by debt. The Arabs, I think know this and ain't willing to play that game.

    Terrorism or the threat thereof is a control mechanism used for thousands of years over the people of the earth. Mostly used by the elite class to put fear into the minds of many (chattel) in order to gain control by the passage of restrictive laws (that favor the government) and/or to place the blame on an opponent, whether real or imagined in order to bring about changes or circumstances more favorable to the terrorist perpetrators whoever they may be and by their backers. The money guys...it takes money to wage war or global terrorism, and it takes profit to motivate the money guys.

    Have we caught Goldstein, er I mean Osama yet? Been in the middle of a move and so missed all the nightly entertainment news broadcasts.
     
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    Jeff, I see. But many here are still holding to the idea about the RCC in the end times. So, how much gold is in the basement of the vatican and who is to say it won't be a joint venture between the RCC AND islam? I believe it will.

    Saudi Arabia is the main funder of OBL and al Qaeda. Always has been and continues to be. The web spun between al Qaeda and the nations of the world (including the US) is so deep and wide, none of us could ever figure it all out. But God knows. Amen.
     
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    1) Oil sitting in the ground does no one any good. It has to be sold to get money for it. If the politicians in these United States would allow it, we could find lots and lots more oil reserves in these United States. There are increasing amounts of oil being discovered in other countries as well, especially offshore, such as Malaysia.

    2) No. The country with the largest national gold reserves is these United States. Second is Germany, followed by the International Monetary Fund.
     
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    Further checking the web reveals the Vatican was ransacked in 800 AD by Sarecen pirates (Muslims). But apparently, they didn't find all the treasures there. Some vatican treasures have actually been on tour.

    And....Note this little gem:

    http://www.templemountfaithful.org/News/20030112.htm


    Oh, & check this out, I haven't read the whole site but it looks mighty interesting:

    http://focusonjerusalem.com/saudiarabiainbibleprophecy.html
     
  6. JeffM

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    Ken,

    The US does not own any gold. When we went bankrupt in 1933, the Federal Reserve Bank took control of our gold reserve as payment of our debt to them. In fact, much of the gold at Fort Knox was moved oversees because the Federal Reserve is mostly owned by foreign investors.

    America, as Poncho revealed, is running on a debt-based monetary system, with fiat currency. We have absolutely nothing of value backing our currency. Each year, Congress takes a loan out from the Federal Reserve to run the country. This loan is called the National Debt. How much are we in the hole? Trillions of dollars?

    Each bill in circulation represents that debt.

    During the 1970's, Saudi Arabia and many other middle eastern countries started buying up as much gold as they could and drove the prices up to over $800.00 an ounce.

    Perry Stone wrote in his book "Unleashing the Beast" that when the Arab countries unit, with the Islamic Anti-Christ in control, gold will be used for commerce, and if you don't have the gold, you can't buy. Imagine right now if Saudi Arabia started demanding gold as payment for oil. We couldn't buy a drop.
     
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    Sorry, but I don't buy into that particular eschatological framework. [​IMG]

    As far as how our monetary system in these United States operates, I am quite aware of that. Our current national debt as of June 17 is $7,211,142,622,664.63.
     
  8. church mouse guy

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    Lady Eagle, I read the link on Jerusalem. It is good. It talks about British inability to deliver on their promises and British drawing lines in the sand. He mentions Moab, but reading Josh McDowell, I have begun to believe that Moab was wiped out by the Turks at the latest if not before. In other words, I have begun to believe that the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael only.

    As for The Vatican having anything much from Jerusalem, what do you think? I think that the Romans would have melted down anything gold and spent it. I doubt if The Vatican has much from that time period.
     
  9. mioque

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    Ahum.. speaking as a person who actually visited the basements of the Vatican, there is no huge golden menorah lying around there.
     
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    They do believe, don't they, Mioque, that the body of Saint Peter is buried there?
     
  11. Scott J

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    Perry Stone is pentecostal/charasmatic and apparently into numerology and perhaps even believes in latter day divine revelations.

    In the late '80's, I had a tape in which he laid out his case on why the rapture would take place in '93... it didn't. Of course like the JW's, he left himself some wiggle room but the hearer wouldn't have been confused about what he meant.

    BTW, I am pre-trib/pre-mil. I simply believe our job is to live soberly, faithfully, and on full alert. It may be just as dangerous for us to try to pin the tail on the anti-Christ as it was for the Pharisees to build pre-suppositions on what the Messiah would be like.

    They missed Christ... there is a good chance that the anti-christ will be far more subtle than what you guys propose.
     
  12. mioque

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    They believe the body of Simon Petrus lies buried below the main altar of saint Peter's basilica.
    Of all the pious extra-biblical legends surrounding the early church that are told by the RCC, the one about the execution and burial of Petrus&Paulus in Rome is the only one that has a reasonable chanche of being true.
     
  13. church mouse guy

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    Thanks, Mioque. I think that they might have the burial place of Peter.

    In a post yesterday, I mentioned Moab when I intended to say Edom. I am sorry for the error and regret any trouble that it caused. I think that Esau's descendants have been wiped off the face of the earth because of God's hatred of Esau and the emptiness of Petra, etc.

    Here is the part of the link to Jerusalem and Arab history that I was trying to comment on:

    "A Prophecy Concerning Ishmael
    Ishmael is often depicted as being the father of the Arab world. Ishmael was of course a son of Abraham (as was Isaac through Sarah) Ishmael’s mother was an Egyptian, making Ishmael half Egyptian and a half Semite of the House of Abraham. The descendants of Ishamel, along with Esau, and Edom made up much of the Arab world. Kedar, Hazor, Dedan, Sheba, Raamah (Ezekiel 27) were later Arabian merchants."
     

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