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Gains are seen against insurgency

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Jul 1, 2006.

  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Well, at least, you're back to your original point, still just as ridiculous as it was when you first made it.

    It is the undeniable truth that Muslims were killing killing each other in great numbers long before we entered Iraq 3 years ago, despite your unsupportable opinion.

    You'd be well advised to curb your absurdly inane comments in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary.:thumbs:

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/05/africa/web.0605grave.php

    Raid Juhi, chief investigative judge for the Iraqi court now trying Mr. Hussein in another case, said during a visit here on Saturday that the court had documentary evidence, and statements from witnesses, showing that at least 100,000 Shiites, and possibly 180,000, died in the 1991 repression.
     
  2. The Galatian

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    (Barbarian again points out that there was no religious strife in Iraq under Saddam)

    It's demonstrably true. Saddam included non-Sunnis, including Christians in his govenment. He cracked down hard on anyone trying to start religious strife. Not because he was a nice guy. Because it interfered with order.

    As you were reminded twice, my point was that there was no religious strife in Iraq during Saddam's rule. You have to argue against the point I made, not an argument you wish I had made.

    You mean like you claiming my statement; "Saddam was as bad as they come." means I'm an "apologist" for Saddam? "Absurdly inane" doesn't really do that one justice, um?

    Well, let's take a look at your other claims...

    Halabja was the "most notorious and the deadliest single gas attack against the Kurds," killing 5,000 civilians. But as Power notes, it was just one of some forty chemical assaults staged by Iraq against the Kurdish people.
    http://hnn.us/articles/862.html

    The number of Kurds who died in 1991--killed by Saddam's forces or fleeing them--is estimated at 50,000 to 80,000.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/889tngrz.asp?pg=2

    That was just the Kurds, most of whom are Sunni. As you see, Saddam was not motivated by religious zeal, but a cold, calculating intent to terrorize anyone, Sunni or Shiite, who might oppose him.

    And now you've learned the rest of the story.
     
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  3. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Wrong again, Gal.

    But it's great fun watching someone make an idiotic, totally unsupportable statement and spend the next two days trying to make it stand up.

    BTW The Shiite uprising in 1991 was primarliy in southern Iraq. Few Kurds there. Check your facts better.

    Oops, sorry! You don't depend on facts, just obfuscation.:thumbs:

    Muslims were killing each other in great numbers long before we were on the scene. It's a fact. Get over it.

    "According to Human Rights Watch, "senior Arab diplomats told the London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October [1991] that Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the south."
     
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    So when Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini recruited between 500,000 and 1 million of Iran's own children to seek martyrdom by walking across Iraqi mine fields, that was ethnicity?

    And you would have us believe that Shiites killing Sunnis isn't about religion, but ethnicity?

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    Daisy, you say moslems accept converts - that's true - you either accept islam, pay muslims, or die. Just don't try to leave islam and become a Christian - you'll pay for it with your head.

    Also, the ROP seems to have a special disdain for women, not just under Taliban law in Afghanistan, but everywhere. Women should watch the film that the Dutch film maker Theo Van Gogh was murdered over depicting life as a muslim woman in a country under sharia law.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=20581



     
  5. Daisy

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    I can't think of any religion except maybe Jainism whose adherents have not committed atrocities from time to time. Christianity has certainly had its share. Even in the American colonies Christians have executed other Christians for being the wrong kind of Christian.

    Moslems are people. Some are vicious, some are nice as can be - just like other people. When you can no longer see the humanity of other people because of their religion, how are you any better than they? Christ said to love those who do us harm. Well, here's your chance.
     
  6. carpro

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    True.

    And extremely accomplished at killing each other.
     
  7. Daisy

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    Some are, some are not, much like other people.
     
  8. Revmitchell

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    One of the commands of the muslim faith is to kill infidels in the name of allah.
     
  9. Daisy

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    Sad thing is, you believe that; none of the actual Moslems I know do.
     
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    The Kurds also rebelled:

    The North

    The Kurds in the north also rose up, in a bid for autonomy. Masoud Barzani, head of the KDP, and Jalal Talabani, leader of the PUK, had made an alliance before the end of the war. Their peshmerga guerrilla forces were tough fighters, and they had infiltrated the Jash, a Kurdish militia recruited by Saddam. On March 5, Jash fighters seized control of the mountain town of Rania. Soon the revolt spread to Sulaimaniya, near the Iranian border, where rebels captured the Central Security headquarters. Inside, they found torture devices smeared with blood and rooms holding the corpses of strangled women and children, victims of Saddam’s executioners. In retaliation, the rebels massacred any Ba’ath officials and police officers they could find. Two weeks later, the rebellion captured the oil center of Kirkuk....

    Next Saddam redirected his forces to the North. Kirkuk was bombarded with artillery, and hospitals were targeted. The Kurdish insurgents were in a topographical bind –– most of the cities they held sat on a plain below mountains and were impossible to defend. The rebel fighters retreated into the mountains with their families. As they backed away, Iraqi helicopters threw flour on them –– a cruel reminder of the powdery chemical weapons that killed Kurds by the thousands during Saddam’s Anfal campaign....

    More than 2 million Kurds fled into the snowy peaks between Iran and Turkey. Children died from typhoid, dehydration and dysentery. Some refugees were blown up by land mines. At one point in 1991, an estimated 2,000 Kurds were dying every day. The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees called the exodus the largest in its 40–year history.

    Later, under a Western security umbrella, the Kurds returned to set up self–rule in the three northern provinces of Arbil, Dohuk and Sulaimaniya. Once autonomy was declared, many Kurds living beneath a line denoting the northern no–fly zone were killed by Saddam’s regime, according to the U.S. State Department.

    - http://tinyurl.com/h8hrw
     
  11. carpro

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    I don't believe that anyone has killed more muslims in the last 30 years than other muslims.
     
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