Galatians 5v4

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    Any thoughts on the phrase "fallen from grace" in this verse?

    Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
     
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    Unable to attain grace due to feeling one can keep the whole law and never offend in one point: falling short because of the lack of seeing the need for grace for the breaking of God's Law.

    Those who feel their good can outweigh their bad are fallen from grace, too.

    This is due to the prideful sin, that which caused the Jews to fail to recognize Jesus as the Messiah, most still are "fallen from grace".
     
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    First of all, let us examine the text using an accurate translation. I will push aside the anglicanism of the KJV translators long enough to demonstrate what Paul actually said:

    ESV
    You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

    NASB
    You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

    NKJV
    You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

    You see, the problem is on the PEOPLE, NOT CHRIST. People were trying to aid their sanctification with the help of the Law, to which Paul called them fools (not surprising that many so called christians want people to live by Moses today also).

    The problem wasn't Christ. He did not become of no effect. How bizarre is that? How does Christ become useless? I don't like that anglicanism influence upon the Scriptures.

    An accurate interpretation must come from an accurate translation. The KJV is bad on this one.
     
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    Turned their back on grace.
     
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    C4K, the word 'fallen' there is, in the Greek, ekpipto, which means 'to drop away', 'to be driven out of one's course', 'to become ineffecient.'

    The NIV also translates this verb as 'fallen'. It is only used ten times in the New Testament and what I had to smile about was that two of the times the NIV translates it as 'run aground.'

    One of the things that occurred to me as I was looking this up was that it might not mean 'losing salvation', which may be how some take it. Rather, I'm thinking of the sheep straying and how Jesus will go after it. We do have a tendency to want to depend on laws of one kind or another, rather than grace, and the two are antithetical. So when we prefer any law (not encouraging illegal activities here, folks!) to the grace of Christ where our spiritual state is concerned, then we have wandered away from grace, or perhaps considered it ineffectual at that point. If the person is born again I have no doubt that Christ will go after that 'ship that has run aground' and haul it back into the deep, safe waters of His grace.

    Mixed metaphor and all that, but that is where my thinking is leading me at this moment.
     
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    Usually if we read the entire chapter, before and after the verse which seems to be given us trouble, the Scripture will explain itself.
    Vs. 1 of Gal.5 says:
    "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

    Seems to me that the Paul is simply explaining to these folks that the Law cannot justify anyone and if it did we would be fallen (away)from the grace of God. Or turned our back on the free gift of grace Christ purchased on the cross.
    In Christ,
    Peggy [​IMG]
     
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    Appreciate yout thoughts - am preaching this passage Sunday.

    This where my thoughts had gone, that the saved Galatians had turned away from the life of grace and gone back into a voluntary law bondage, but wanted to get some input for the message. No loss of slavation here, but a loss of the joys of "Grace living"

    Thanks!
    Roger
     

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