Gay Student Loses Baylor Scholarship

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    Gay student loses Baylor seminary scholarship
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    WACO - A former student at Baylor University's George W. Truett Theological Seminary says losing his scholarship because he is gay is unfair.

    Matt Bass told his friends he is gay last spring, and word began to spread. When Truett officials met with Bass last fall, he would not answer questions about his lifestyle but acknowledged that he supports gay rights and marriage.

    He was notified in December that he would lose his scholarship, money from Truett and the Baptist General Convention of Texas.

    Bass, 24, of Rowlett, was not expelled but left after the fall semester because he could not afford tuition. Bass, who did not earn his undergraduate degree at Baylor, had been at Truett since 2001.

    Paul Powell, the seminary's dean, declined to discuss Bass' case but said homosexual behavior is forbidden in the Bible and thus inconsistent with Truett's mission.

    "If a person, according to Scripture, which is our standard, is not a part of the kingdom of God, how can they be in training for a minister?" Powell asked.

    Bass said he does not believe his lifestyle conflicts with the Bible. He said he had met the requirements of his scholarship: making high grades and attending a church affiliated with the Baptist General Convention of Texas. He said the pastor knows he is gay and "doesn't make a big deal about it."

    Bass was recently accepted to Emory University's Candler School of Theology in Atlanta. He plans on teaching and researching what he calls religious violence against minority groups.

    In the Baylor student handbook, the school mentions "homosexual acts" along with incest and adultery and fornication under the sexual misconduct policy.

    Powell said some may be born with a predisposition to homosexual behavior but that they don't have to act on those desires. He compared the situation to some people's struggle with alcoholism.

    "Our standards of right and wrong are the Scriptures," Powell said. "If we ever abandon them, we're out of business. There's no reason for us to exist."
     
  2. Johnv

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    I don't think he should lose his scholarship. He said he was gay. There was no accusation of him having engaged in homosexual sex.

    Most students there are straight, but there's no assumption that the straight kids are having hetersexual sex, is there?

    If he had been caught having extramarital sex, that would be different.
     
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    Homosexual sin is different from hetero sin. Both are wrong, but hetero sin is at least natural. Homo behavior is animalistic. No christian is a homo.
     
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    Matt doesn't own the University. The owners of the Unviversity have the right to run it the way that they want to.
     
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    The young man broke their rules and should lose his scholarship.

    Diane
     
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    Baylor is a private university, so I would think they can establish qualifications based on their interpretation of scripture. If this gentleman is upset, there are many Texas state universities he can attend that do not have the same restrictions.

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    Actually, Paul says that it is NOT natural to have sex outside of marriage. Paul says that it is better to be single, but if you have sexual desire, then it is better to marry. A homosexual can be a Christian, so long as he does not give into sexual desire with another person of the same gender. Is it appropriate to say that heterosexual who has sex outside of marriage cannot be a Christian? Of course not.

    There's no admission of the student in question having homosexual sex, and there was no accusation by the school that he did so.
     
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    He did not break the rules. He was not accused of having sex with another man (or another woman' for that matter). He was asked about rumors that he "was gay". The rules strictly forbid sexual activity. He was not accused ot sexual activity of any kind. If he had been caught having sex, I'd be the first to say "get out".
     
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    Baylor has courted liberalism for some time.

    Should we be surprised that a gay student thought he would be OK at Baylor?
     
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    Yeah they are so liberal they booted the homosexual student. :rolleyes:

    Obviously the student didn't make his views public until AFTER he was accepted to Truett. There is always the standard follow the rules sign here form for seminary he knew better

    Now should he have lost his scholarship perhaps not, but he should have been encouraged to seek education elsewhere, which he did.
     
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    But he didn't do anything wrong. He did not violate the college's student handbook (which mentions "homosexual acts" along with incest and adultery and fornication under the sexual misconduct policy). He was never accused by the school of engaging in any sexual acts of any kind.

    Note also that he lost his scholarship, but was not removed from the school. Clearly, the school did not feel he was violating the rules, so why lose the scholarship?

    If he was accused of a sexual act, thenhe should have been removed from the school, but this was not the case.
     
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    But he didn't do anything wrong. He did not violate the college's student handbook (which mentions "homosexual acts" along with incest and adultery and fornication under the sexual misconduct policy). He was never accused by the school of engaging in any sexual acts of any kind.

    Note also that he lost his scholarship, but was not removed from the school. Clearly, the school did not feel he was violating the rules, so why lose the scholarship?

    If he was accused of a sexual act, thenhe should have been removed from the school, but this was not the case.
    </font>[/QUOTE]My point is the School has put out a mixed message for years. They deliberately distanced themselves from Texas Baptists when their Board of Trustees became self-perpetuating. They have moved in a more moderate-liberal direction than the vast majority of Texas Baptist Churches.

    Baylor created the ambiguity that allowed a gay student to think that it would be all right for him to attend the ministerial school.

    I agree with you, Johnv, the school had no grounds to dismiss him. He should sue.
     
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    johnv - you are wrong. BEING a homosexual is a blatant offense and sin against God. Whether or not this kid "acted" immorally is not the issue.

    That is the difference between liberal and conservative. Like Bill Clinton playing with words. This young man IS a homosexual, worthy of death (in the Bible and probably in much of Texas!! [​IMG] ) and openly defied the clearly written standards of the school.

    I, for one, am PROUD of the action and think there still might be a ray of hope for Baylor for taking such a stand.
     
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    p.s. And it doesn't surprise me that Emory would then accept Bass into their program. We've seen Emory grads and supporters on the BB in the past whose every post dripped with promotion of anti-biblical and anti-family blatant sin.
     
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    Not anymore than being an alcoholic is a sin against God.

    The Bible is specific: the act of homosexual sex is a sin. Simply "being gay" doesn't imply that one is engaging in homosexual sex. I prefer to stick with what the Bible says as far as sin. If your assertion were the case, then simply "being an alcoholic" is a sin. That's not the case at all.

    But to the point at hand, the school's rules prohibit activity. There was not activity here, so there should have been no reason to yank his scholarship.
     
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    I agree with whaqt they did. But Baylor University does have teachers who are non-believers. I am amazed that when I have brought that up to other Christian professors so many see nothing wrong with that. I was shocked when I first told that to a professor when I was in seminary. And the fact is he was very conservative but he had grown up with that happening and saw nothing wrong. So possibly that student could show that Baylor even employs people who do not agree and even adhere to scripture. I believe in many ways they have opened a can of worms by their former practice.
     
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    Sin is sin in God's eyes. You have a right to your opinion but it has no biblical foundation.
     
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    All sinners are worthy of death if they haven't confessed their sin and turned away from it.
     
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    According to the report, the man in question said that he supports the sodomite lifestyle and sodomite marriage. That makes him just as bad as if he were commiting sodomy himself. As John said,

    "He that biddeth him godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds."

    In fact, it possibly makes him worse than a man who practices sodomy; for a man might practice sodomy and yet know in his heart that it was wrong and feel remorse for it. But the man who asserts that sodomy is no sin is trying to justify that which God calls sin. He is guilty of calling "evil good and good evil."

    Theoretically, the school did the right thing, though I would agree with Hardsheller that they are somewhat the hypocrites since Baylor has long been a haven for infidels. They must have decided that keeping Baptist dollars flowing was more important to them than being consistent liberals.

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    Not anymore than being an alcoholic is a sin against God.

    The Bible is specific: the act of homosexual sex is a sin. Simply "being gay" doesn't imply that one is engaging in homosexual sex. I prefer to stick with what the Bible says as far as sin. If your assertion were the case, then simply "being an alcoholic" is a sin. That's not the case at all.

    But to the point at hand, the school's rules prohibit activity. There was not activity here, so there should have been no reason to yank his scholarship.
    </font>[/QUOTE]JohnV

    Your argument is totally meaningless, because the Bible does not acknowledge any such thing as "homosexual" or an "alcoholic." Those are meaningless terms when it comes to anything the Bible actually says.

    The Bible acknowedges people who get drunk and people who commit sodomy and declares both to be evil. Obviously, since people do commit these (and other) sins they have evil thoughts about these sins before they commit them. Jesus delared evil thoughts - no matter what they are - to be defiling.

    If the man in question were a godly man who had an evil thought about sodomy, he would have kept it to himself, never made an issue of it, and wouldn't run around calling himself a "homosexual" - any more than a man who had a thought about shooting his neighbor would run around calling himself a murderer or a man who was tempted to commit adultery would run around calling himself a whoremonger.

    The very fact that this man declared himself "gay" and declared his support for "gay rights" and "gay marriage" proves that he was out to gain approval for this abomination. He got exactly what he deserved.

    Mark Osgatharp
     

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