Gaza pullout question

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Joseph_Botwinick, Aug 16, 2005.

  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I know the Israeli government is giving each family that leaves peacefully $400,000 compensation...and I think this is a good thing. Certainly, this is enough for an average family to make it comfortably when having to move somewhere else. My question is this: Is there a plan for where the Israeli government wishes the evicted Jewish Settlers to go, or are they just pretty much on their own there? What about jobs? I understand some have strong feelings against the Gaza Pullout, and I am not looking to debate that here. I honestly just want to learn more about how the government has set this up.

    Any info will be appreciated.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  2. ASLANSPAL

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    Actually Joe the American people are compensating
    the settlers.

    They are welcome here in the United States and would love for them to come on over.

    American taxpayers footing Israel(this guy seems
    Libertarian in his column)


    Some Gaza specifics
    The bill assigns specifics to the pullout plan, including monetary compensation for Jewish settlers in the territories who have to leave their homes. Compensation levels will average around $300,000 per family, the Jerusalem Post newspaper reported, with a$30,000-bonus for families who relocate to the Negev desert or the Galilee region in northern Israel, two areas in which the government is seeking to encourage development. Families who have been living in their homes for comparatively longer periods will receive larger compensation packages, according to the Jerusalem Post

    <a href="http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=1159" target="_blank">Primo real
    estate to those who sign up</a>

    Did I mention that without telling my new neighbors, I plan to sign up for the new community in Northern Ashkelon, North of Gaza, called the Golf Village? Yes, this little neighborhood is just a half mile from the ocean and has fairly valuable real estate. This valuable real estate will be given to those families who sign up for it. That’s right, simply ask and ye shall receive.


    As for jobs I do not know Joe but Israel is a very small nation the commute may not be that
    far. ;)

    *notice all the different numbers ..400,000 grand
    237,000, 300,000..bonuses..etc..something tells
    me they may hit us up for more money before it is
    over.
     
  3. Enoch

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    Everyone does not receive the same amount of money for surrendering their homes, property and businesses. Some will receive nothing. It depends on the value of your real estate, how long you have lived in your home and if you left without resistance. This is not an overnight process where the check is in the mail. It may take months or even years. And the government decides the monetary value of your home or business. And those who resist are well aware of the financial consequences. Thousands of people are losing their homes, businesses, jobs, synagogues, schools, child care, livestock, etc. Even the dead are being evicted.

    Link

    U.S. Plans Post-Pullout Israel Assessment

    The Bush administration is planning to send assessment teams to Israel to help decide how much new U.S. economic aid might be provided to help develop the Galilee and Negev regions.

    Already the biggest recipient of U.S. aid at $2.3 billion a year, Israel is believed to be asking for another $2.2 billion to develop the areas where many of the 8,500 Jewish settlers leaving Gaza will be relocated.

    So far, the administration has made no commitment, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Monday. "At this point what we are doing is we are sending some teams to Israel to assess what might be possible," he said.

    The pullout from Gaza began Monday. The removal of all Jewish settlers is being financed entirely by Israel at an estimated cost of $2 billion to $2.5 billion.

    USA Today

    Once the last settler is gone, movers will pack any remaining property before Israeli contractors and Israeli Arab workers partially demolish some 2,000 residential buildings. Israel will pay $25 million to the World Bank, which will hire Palestinian and Egyptian companies to finish the job.

    Some building materials will be recycled for use in high-rises here in Gaza. Last week, special envoy James Wolfensohn clinched a deal to have the U.S. Agency for International Development spend $15 million to buy 875 acres of settler-owned greenhouses to be turned over to the Palestinian Authority. The hothouses are expected to provide jobs for at least 3,000 Palestinians.

    Schools, community centers and other public buildings are supposed to be left intact for the Palestinians, although there's no guarantee individual settlers won't damage them. Gaza's 38 synagogues will be blown up after their sacred objects are removed.

    On Sunday, some 1,000 people gathered at Gaza's small Jewish cemetery for an emotional memorial service as relatives clung to stones atop some of the 48 graves that will be evacuated.

    Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs

    7. Real Estate Assets
    In general, residential dwellings and sensitive structures, including synagogues, will not remain. The State of Israel will aspire to transfer other facilities, including industrial, commercial and agricultural ones, to a third, international party which will put them to use for the benefit of the Palestinian population that is not involved in terror.

    The area of the Erez industrial zone will be transferred to the responsibility of an agreed upon Palestinian or international party.
    The State of Israel will explore, together with Egypt, the possibility of establishing a joint industrial zone on the border of the Gaza Strip, Egypt and Israel.

    8. Civil Infrastructure and Arrangements
    Infrastructure relating to water, electricity, sewage and telecommunications will remain in place.

    In general, Israel will continue, for full price, to supply electricity, water, gas and petrol to the Palestinians, in accordance with current arrangements.

    Other existing arrangements, such as those relating to water and the electro-magnetic sphere shall remain in force.

    Principles for Compensation

    14. a. The date which determines the right for compensation is the date of the adoption of this Government Resolution.

    b. Those entitled to compensation will receive fair and suitable compensation, as will be set out in the law legislated for this purpose.
    Israeli officials say 66 percent of the Israeli families in Gaza have accepted state compensation deals but not all have left. Those who refuse to go could lose a third of the money, which ranges from $150,000 to $400,000 per family.


    Discussion held on evacuation of graves from Gush Katif

    The main issue under discussion was the evacuation of graves from Gush Katif. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had requested that the Chief Rabbis, who are leading halakhic authorities, discuss this sensitive issue


    Disengagement Authority sets rules for transfer of agricultural lands to Gush Katif farmers

    Ministerial Disengagement Committee Convened on Monday Night

    (IsraelNN.com) Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s Ministerial Disengagement Committee convened on Monday night approving the rental of close to 2,000 hotel rooms for displaced disengagement families. The committee almost doubled the number of available rooms from the original 1,000.

    Committee members made a series of decisions regarding the construction of temporary and permanent housing for Gaza and northern Samaria refugees.

    Approximately 130 additional 90-square meter mobile homes will be ordered for families that have already reached agreement with the government; public institutions and areas will be built in communities that are designated to absorb evictees (Yad Binyamin, Mavki’im, Carmiya, Or HaNer and Miflasim); and infrastructure planning will proceed regarding the construction of permanent housing in Bustan Hagalil, Magen Shaul and Ein Tzurim.

    Committee members approved assistance for bereaved families in moving the graves of their loved ones from Gaza to inside pre-1967 Green Line Israel.
     
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    This 2 or 2.5(may go higher)billion expenditure
    sure did fly under the radar and did not get
    much scrutiny.

    Thankyou Enoch for all the additional information.

    I did hear on one of the morning shows that one
    businessman claimed he is only getting 55% of his
    businesses value and 50% of his homes value.

    You can say Israel has become our welfare recipient and I can see where people will be bothered and upset by that...we need to remind people it is an imperative investment to keep Israel a viable nation..1948 U.N. and Harry Truman were a miracle for that nation and the miracle must continue. So spend the money and invest in Israel just let the people know about
    it.

    imho
     
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    The Palestinians have been on the US dole for years, just for the record.
     
  6. billwald

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    wire story claimed that the '48 partition included a Palestinian nation in Gaza.
     
  7. KenH

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    Gaza and the West Bank were not a part of Israel when it was created. Israel took those areas in the 1967 Six Day War because it was tired of being attacked. Unfortunately, occupying those areas hasn't helped much as Israelis have continued to be attacked by suicide bombers.
     
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    There is no Palestinian nation.
     
  9. riverm

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    How long does one have to live in an area before they are no longer referred to as a “settler”?

    I’d like to see the area some 10 years, no, 5 years from now and see just what kind of shape the land will be in. It’s a shame, because the area the Jews lived in is really pretty and a lot of the agriculture comes from that area, a lot of hard work is gone now.
     
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    Is there an actual map of the "road map" anywhere? I would like to actually see the areas under consideration.
     
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    There was no Jewish nation before the UN created it. Food for the goose, food for the gander.
     
  12. KenH

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    Gaza certainly will be one once the last Israeli leaves - as long as the Palestinians don't attack Israel. Otherwise, the tanks will roll right back in and it will cease to be a Palestinian nation.
     
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    Has any other nation been extinct for some 2,000 years and been revived?

    Just looks to me like God has His hand in it all!

    And why should they NOT attack Israel? After all, this pullout just proves that terrorism DOES work!!

    It worked in Spain, and now it's worked in Israel.
     
  14. LadyEagle

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    And it will work in Iraq. And here. In fact, it is already working here because we are the most politically correct nation on the planet.
     
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    I know that from a military viewpoint that Israel is doing the right thing but one wonders if they were not blackmailed by Bush as a repayment for our invading Iraq?

    Nevertheless, I think Land of the Philistines (Palestine) is a bad name for any nation, as the Romans intended when they destroyed Israel and destroyed the name Israel I think. So I think that the Gaza, which recently belonged to Egypt and should be returned to Egypt, will be known by all as Al-Qaedaland in a couple of days.
     
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    "Has any other nation been extinct for some 2,000 years and been revived?"

    Logical/moral equivalent of buying the "Indian" (or other logo) and claiming to manufacture an "Indian" (or other logo) consumer product.
     
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    Huh??????????

    What in tarnation do logos and manufacturing have to do with the revival of a once extinct (and supposedly dead) nation??
     
  18. Bro. James Reed

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    The nation of Israel was established by God. The state of Israel was established by man.

    That is the difference.
     
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    So, Brother Reed, what is the difference between a nation and a "state" in your frame of reference?
     
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    Nation, in this context, being the "spiritual state" of Israel. No pun intended. ;)

    Israel, as a nation, or people, in the OT is a representation of God's children.

    The actual Israelis themselves are not what makes up Israel.

    The Apostle Paul tells us in Romans that not all Israelis are of Israel. Meaning, you don't become a child of God because you were born of certain parents. Not all Israelis are children of God.

    Israel as a nation is symbolic of God's elect family, or world. Israel as a state is a group of people of the Jewish faith who came together to form a secular country.

    Thinking that modern-day Israel is the same as the OT Israel is akin to those powers-that-be in the first century thinking that Jesus was trying to set himself up as a physical King over the natural world. Both are false.

    True Israel is all of God's children, us Gentiles included. The True Kingdom is not a domain of this world with boundaries. Both are spiritual things.

    That is what I mean by "nation" versus "state".
     

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