Gaza pullout question

Thank you, rsr.

From the U.S./Israeli versions of the maps, it looks as if Palestine had a very good offer.

Agreement in 2000 could have saved hundreds of lives.

I just hope and pray that this will placate the regular Palestinians, even if not the radicals.

I don't think the radicals on either side will ever be satisfied until annihilation of their enemies is complete. Hopefully, the majority and calmer heads in Israel and Palestine will prevail here.

 

What I keep wondering is why Bush would let the Gaza pullout happen at all.

I thought he had Christian values and would understand the significance of the Promised Land. The nation of "Palestine" is mythical, has no historical rationale, and as far as I can see is against the will of God.

I'm beginning to worry that Bush isn't the Christian he claims to be.

 

Most of us Christians don't believe in the premillennial eschatology that a minority of Christians believe in that places a hyper-emphasis on the modern political State of Israel where the vast majority reject Jesus as the Son of God and have not come to Him in repentance and faith.

Also, the Israeli government decided to pull out of Gaza, not the government of these United States. Israel is a sovereign nation.

Welcome to the Baptist Board.

 

Well maybe, but Bush started the Roadmap for Peace.

Either way, the Palestinian terrorists have said they will not stop until Israel is destroyed. This is about not retreating and giving ground. At least until terrorism is stopped.

Bush said he would stop the terrorism, I think he should pressure Israel to continue to occupy the Gaza. We give a lot of aid money to Israel that we can pull, so we have a way to pressure them.

I'm just disappointed in our leaders because this seems like we are retreating from terrorists when we need to look strong. How do you think this looks in the Arab world? It looks like we are weak and that terrorism works.

Bush needs to live up to his promises.

 

3JesusIsGod3, don't let these guys fool ya. Just cruise around the board and you'll find plenty of links that refute most of what has been posted here. See, if you don't believe in a literal interpretation of Scripture, then you can come from all kinds of places with all kinds of subjective meanings, like

Israel wasn't a "representation" of God's children - Israel is the Apple of God's Eye! God called them His Chosen People.

But Ken is correct when he says most Christians, (cause that's become a pretty generic term nowadays to include anyone who isn't a Buddhist, Muslim, or Jew) don't believe as you do - BUT most Baptists, including the leaders of the SBC, do believe the same as you. You're right on track.

Some of these guys believe in Replacement Theology - Christians replaced the Israel. If you Google on the web, you can read all about it. When I came to the Baptist Board, I never even knew Baptists believed any such thing - and to this day, I still don't personally know any Baptists who believe that.

So don't get confused, cause it's easy to do around here when you're new.

And Bush did pressure Sharon with the threat of withdrawing US aid to Israel if Sharon didn't comply. I've posted links elsewhere. When Condi Rice was just there, she emphasized again the need for Israel to withdraw from Gaza.

And now, terrorism has worked. The Intifada worked. All those homicide bombers getting on and blowing up innocent people on the bus, in restaurants, the pizza parlor, nightclubs - all those people blow to bits, killed, or maimed for life with bits of metal, screws, nails, shrapnel in the bombs - that are even still suffering victims today...we (meaning the US) have said forget about all of that, just make peace with these Muslims at any cost. Give them what they want. And so, terrorists won. Even that Abbas is a terrorist - he financed the murder of Israelis at the Olympics. But he was the "choice."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166269,00.html

It's enough to make any person who is in their right mind throw up.

 

Botwinik

I don't think Sharon represents all Jews. Do you?

Supporting the Jews might mean occasionally "tough love". In other words, instead of rewarding or encouraging a mistake like the Gaza pullout, we should be putting pressure on them to do the opposite. That is, keep the settlements and continue to pressure the terrorists.

The question is are we doing what really supports the Jews or what supports the terrorists? I voted for Bush but he is making a huge mistake here. It's hard for me to reconcile.

 

Botwinik

Ok but Sharon is acting partly due to pressure from Bush. So it isn't as though they are making these decisions without pressure from the US.

If we are going to pressure them, one way or another, which way should it be?

Should it be to support the Biblical view, or should it be to support the terrorists?

Bush got this one wrong. I feel like post-election he's already starting to show signs of forgetting who put him there. It really is getting disappointing.

 

Joseph, your assumption that the people of Israel back Sharon in this pullout business is just that - an assumption. Israel is divided about the Road Map, just as the US is divided about the Iraq war.

Sharon isn't the Anti-Christ. And neither is Bush. But they are setting the stage for the anti-Christ to emerge. Only a Muslim leader can stand up (like OBL) and unite the Arabs for the 7 year peace plan with Israel.

But Sharon will lose the next election. Netanyahu will win because he knows the terrorism won't stop.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9013350/page/2/

"Throughout the week, various militant groups staged “victory” marches toward the Gush Katif settlement bloc, with crowds led by masked gunmen. Initially, Palestinian police were ill-prepared to stop the marchers but in recent days deployed rows of riot police."

I think terrorists marching in victory parades about sums it all up.

 

Masked gunman? That's ok with you?

Did the "riot police" disarm any of them? Not that I know of.

I just can't believe we are being so weak to give in to this.