Genesis 1 "Let Us"

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    26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

    I was listening to a speach, well more of a sermon, about Genesis 1 when it is said "Let Us make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness," and what it meant.

    Just wanted to see what everyone thought. As the person given the lecture pointed out, the same as I had always thought, it meant God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
     
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    They created Adam in their image, Body, Soul and Spirit as one in essence but three in personalities a 3 part (Tricotimus) being. Mankind since the fall has been born with Body and soul but are born Seperated from God in tresspass and sins and thus are Seperated Spiritually (Spiritual Daeth) from God until salvation. Now the child that has not come to the knowledge of good and eveil about sin if they die will be in heaven IMO and many others.
     
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    Now the child that has not come to the knowledge of good and eveil about sin if they die will be in heaven IMO and many others.
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    I would sure like to know where you get this from? An infant knows disobedience early in life, and they are "born" in sin and trespasses, as the scripture says. No exceptions listed.

    Cheers,

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    2 Samuel 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

    David would go to where the child was after his death and he did. Either David died and went to hell (torments) or he died and went to Paradise and where he went there was the child.
     
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    I have always thought that as well...it seems that God's likeness is "Tri-partate" as man's is and that man's being made in his likeness is his being made in this form as well....no other created being that we know of is like this. I LOVE THIS PASSAGE!!:wavey::godisgood::jesus:
     
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    Now, add this into the mix of the Trinity. God spoke it, Jesus made it, and the Holy Spirit gave it life.

    The speaker labelled the three as such.

    1.God the Father is the ultimate authority, decided to make the creation, spoke it.

    2Jesus serves as the agent, the one that does the work.

    John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

    Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.


    3. God the Spirit (Holy Spirit) gives life and completes
     
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    David may make a statement, but no where in scripture do we find such assurance. I am not saying that God does not make exceptions in the distribution of His grace, but we can't assume that.

    My very first funeral was of an infant of believing parents. I wrestled with this concept day and night,,,and many years later. Sorry, I could not reach the idea that someone is automatically saved under the spurious "age of consent".

    Cheers,

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    The thing is nothing is in the word if God the Holy Spirit didn't want it there. Since all Scripture is God breathed and what David said is recorded there concerning the child then I take it that the Holy Spirit placed it there for our benefit.

    But you see it the way you wish which we each have that given to us to do by God.
     
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    Another thing is when did Adam and Eve become aware of their nakedness and sin? When she began the conversation with the serpent and looked at the fruit was she guilty of sin at that point? When she lusted after that fruit she was in sin, looking at it didn't make it sin lusting after it did, and that is what she did but when did they become guilty and know theu had sinned?

    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    They became guilty when they gained the knowledge of good and evil. Until that point any sin they had commited was not laid to their charge.

    The penalty for sin is death, yet God said death would come when they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, this gaining the knowledge of sin brought death. The child that has not realized themselves a sinner with the knowledge of good and evil is covered just as Adam and Eve were covered until they gained that knowledge.

    Geneisi 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

    7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    Notice then how the blame game started this still exit today,

    9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

    10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

    11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

    12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

    13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

    The penalty was attached to the eating but the eating brought knowledge of sin, good and evil. Until a child comes to that point they are in innocence although dead spiritually (seperated from spiritual knowledge).
     
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    We are a little off track now so back to the OP sorry gator_2006.
     
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    I certainly agree we should base our beliefs upon what scripture says. But we should not add to scripture and alter what it says.

    Certainly the plural wording is consistent with the doctrine of the trinity, but only so far as suggesting God as three persons. If we claim this verse in isolation supports "one God in three persons" we are adding on and making an argument from silence. But this verse can be cited along with others that refer to the three persons of the trinity. Like Jesus being baptized with the Holy Spirit descending upon Him and then the Father speaking from heaven.

    We must use a whole other set of passages to support the "one God in three persons" side of the doctrine.
     
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    I would agree with van about not reading into scriptures more than is there...

    In my case, I would point out that the passage says nothing about the 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5-part make-up of Man at all! So using this passage to support a trichotomist view of man is guessing at best. There are many different things that "in our image" could mean. It probably refers to lots of ways we are in God's image. But it doesn't mean we are like God in every single way that we can imagine.

    I for one would argue that the interchangeability and ambiguity with which SPIRIT and SOUL are used in scripture points more to a Dichotomy of man: Physical (body) and NON-PHysical (Soul/Spirit).
     
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    Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion ...”

    Who are the “Us” in Genesis 1:26?

    Possibilities:

    1. A foreshadowing of the Trinity.

    2. A use of the plurality to indicate power – like a king of old might respond to a question by saying, “We think …”.

    3. An indication that there are other beings in the heavenly counsel of YHVH.

    All are good posibilities, I'm very inclined think the author had the third possibility in mind when Genesis was written.

    Let the heavens praise your wonders, O LORD,
    your faithfulness in the assembly of the holy ones!
    For who in the skies can be compared to the LORD?
    Who among the heavenly beings is like the LORD,
    a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones,
    and awesome above all who are around him?
    O LORD God of hosts,
    who is mighty as you are, O LORD,
    with your faithfulness all around you?
    Psalm 89:5-9 ESV

    "I give you thanks, O LORD, with my whole heart; before the gods I sing your praise"
    Psalm 138:1 ESV

    "For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God..."
    Deut 10:17 ESV


    “Who is like you, O LORD, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?"
    Exodus 15:11 ESV

    Rob
     
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    When listening to the speach, I thought it to be a good explanation as to answering the "US". I have been asked several times what that meant and that was the answer I would give as well. Some people just opening the word of the Lord, who have always been told we serve one God, have been confused about that passage.
     
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    The other thing to look at as you pointed out, is "in our image" and "likeness", while they are two seperate hebrew words, both can share the same meaning of resemblance. Resemblance meaning similarities, but not the exact same. Now I know both words have other meanings as well according to context, but within this scripture, resemblance would be the form best used.

    I think some people think that when "in Our image" and "likeness" they take it as we were to be made as a carbon copy of God and then they try to figure out what qualities of God we are copied after. Does that make sense?
     
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    You mean like:
    The Father = Spirit
    The Son = Body
    The Holy Spirit = the Revealer or Soul as who we truly are? Would that be what you mean?
     
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    I don't see where this analogy comes from at all...
     
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    You have to read on a little to get the whole picture of the meaning. The passage actually answers part of your question in the same sentence and then you must drop down to Verse 28 to get the rest.

    In our image and our likeness;
    God has dominion, (supreme authority)
    In creation God gave man dominion over the things that He mentions

    Verse 28;
    God creates
    God gives man the ability to procreate.
    God has no sin and man was created with no sin
    Thus we are in His image and likeness at creation, but the fall destroyed all that.
     
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    Zactly. There has never been a time when these Three have never been in existance. They have always been......kinda boggles my mind....I had a starting point, but They haven't. My puny little mind just can't wrap around that concept.....
     
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    Could you please elaborate on this a little further, please?
     

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