NETCURTAINS3 It seems to me some science is beginning to co-inside with Genesis. 1) Creation. Science is coming round to the view of cosmic events and other dimensions. http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/paralleluni.shtml 2) Adam & Eve. Science is beginng to accept that there might well have been one Adam and one Eve (although they might not have lived at the same time). Eve: 150,000 years ago (all women have same gene). Adam: 60,000 years ago (all men have same Y Chromosomal). http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/genes/dna_detectives/adam_and_eve.shtml 3) The Fall. When people became more intelligent child birth became more painful because of big headed children. We turned to farming the land which was back-breaking work. The climate changed for the worse (Ice Age). http://www.guardian.co.uk/parents/story/0,3605,802752,00.html 4) The Flood & Nephilim It is possible that some Neandertal inter-bred with human-beings (but not likely): http://www.geocities.com/acgyles/nean.html What angels told Neandertal to leave flowers on their graves? 5) A flood did occur: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/923400.stm KEITH M Even though there are 5 topics in your post, not a single one of them includes God. As a matter of fact, topic 2, which speaks of Adam and Eve, is a direct contradiction of the Bible's narrative. Eve didn't come first - she was created from Adam. And if women were around 90 million years before men, how did they reproduce? Nowhere does the Bible say anything about women reproducing without men except in the case of Mary and the virgin birth of Jesus. Amazing what is labelled as "science" these days... NETCURTAINS3 The Black Sea flood does not mention God but it was possibly an event worthy of being in the bible (if true). The story is that as the Ice Sheets melted (end of Ice age) the Mediterrean sea rose. The rising Med. broke through the small ridge and TEN THOUSAND Niagra Falls poured into the basin that was to become the Black Sea. The noise must have been heard for hundreds of miles. The seas of the entire globe would have to have fallen by 6 inches to create this new sea. The whole population of the area would have to move West (Greece) or South (Iran/India ). Greece and Iran both have flood stories similiar to Noah. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0312304005/reviews/qid=1040574062/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-9520162-0169438 HELEN 1. Creation: secular science will NEVER admit to creation by the God of the Bible. There are a number of reasons for this, however the primary one is that funding is from evolutionary sources and if you go against evolution most of your possible funding and publication rights are terminated. This has happened to a number of solid and qualified scientists. However what is happening is that the admission of a sudden beginning and a possible greater intelligence is and always has been flirted with -- however this 'greater intelligence' is 'whatever you believe it to be' and incorporates any pantheistic or deistic ideas anyone would like to offer. This is far more in tune with pagan religions than anything else. In the meantime, your link regarding thoughts about parallel universes is founded soley upon imagination and the need to present something -- plausible or not -- which would explain the unliklihood (read 'statistical impossibility') of life as we know it simply happening. This particular link only shows that some scientists are willing to allow any idea, impossible or without data or not, rather than the concept of a Creator to enter their thinking. 2. Mitochondrial Eve, fine, but the rates of mutations in the mitochondria are highly variable, contrary to earlier beliefs, and so the idea of timing the advent of the human race evolutionarily by such is nonsense. In addition, you will note your referenced article stated that other women were alive at the time, which is certainly not the case in Genesis. Think, if you will, in addition to this, what kind of odds the evolutionists are playing with to state that NONE of the other women living at the time of 'mitochondrial Eve' left any progeny! That is absurd. 3. Many Neandertals had larger heads than modern man. In addition, man has not become more intelligent. God created the best and we have fallen from there. Farming was in operation from the first, as was animal husbandry -- Cain and Abel. There was an Ice Age following the division of the continents in Peleg's time, as witnessed (literally) by Job, as we can read in the book of that name. By that time, the first cities had already been destroyed by the Flood and man was working on recovery from the series of disasters of which the Flood was only the first. 4. When something called 'hot spots' in the human genome are accounted for (areas where mutations happen most rapidly, but in a 'back and forth' way, thus providing additional variation to the human race), the DNA of Neandertal and of modern man are almost identical. They were just another version of us, in the same way that pygmies and Zulus are all humans, too. 5. The Flood of Noah was most certainly world-wide and not just the flooding of the Black Sea. Keep in mind that God warned Noah a hundred years in advance and that animals were brought to the Ark by God Himself. If the Flood had been only local, all Noah would have had to do was move his stock to higher ground! It should also be noted that there are world-flood stories all around the world in a variety of cultures -- they are not confined to the Middle East. And in each of these stories, one family is saved in a wooden vessel and animals are involved. What we are seeing in a lot of the science articles today is an attempt to compromise with Christian beliefs while still contradicting the Bible point for point regarding Genesis. It is very important to read Genesis completely and realize that God knows how to communicate clearly with us and that is exactly what He has done in the creation account. NETCURTAINS3 In the meantime, your link regarding thoughts about parallel universes is founded soley upon imagination and the need to present something… Super-string theory is old - The 11th Dimension is just an additional variant of this. Christianity beleives in a spiritual Dimension (perhaps inches away from us), a dimension where the Angels and God dwell. Islam believes in "The Jinn" - beings who come from "another dimension". Of course science will not (and MUST NOT!!!) use god to explain anything at all - NOTHING - thats the whole point of science. I think most people would be up in arms if a doctor said the best cure for your broken arm is not plaster but prayer and a trip to Lourdes. The two are seperate in Western culture - I think this is for the best. However, the Archbishop of Canterbury in his Christmas speech today did say "The Wisemen" sparked the murder of the babies. Wise men of the world and science are not wise to the evil in mens hearts.