I have two real life scenarios for you all to consider please; 1. A young boy (6Years old) makes a profession of faith in tears and continues in his church until college. At college he gets caught up in sin and becomes an agnostic, saying that he isn't sure that God is really knowable. 2. A young boy (6 Years old) makes a profession of faith and continues in church until his teens when he rebels against faith and his parents. He never stops believing in God, but lives in outright rebellion. Eventually his lifestyle cathces up to him, he repents comes back to the church eventually goes to bible college and becomes a pastor. Now, was boy 1 genuinely saved, even though he has absolutley no fruit to show for it and is borderline on saying God doesn't even exist? And was boy 2 saved at his first confession of faith as a child then fell into rebellion as a 'carnal Christian' or was he not really saved until he 'got right with God' after his rebellion? Thoughts?