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Gingrich, Standing Ovation Video

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by shodan, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. mandym

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    He was impeached in congress, not because of an affair, but because he lied to a Federal grand Jury. No one tired to impeach him because of an affair.
     
  2. Crabtownboy

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmm, read on:

     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    He was impeached for the actions he took to cover up his affair.
     
  4. Crabtownboy

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    Don't you think it was a bit hypocritical for Newt to lead the charge and preach about family values at the time he, himself was having an illicit ongoing extramarital affair?
     
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    Apples and oranges.

    Did Gingrich commit perjury during a legal deposition?

    I don't remember Gingrich "preaching about family values" at that time. I do remember Clinton's lies under oath.
     
  6. Crabtownboy

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    Whoa? What? WHAT?


     
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  7. saturneptune

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    Isn't this cute, debating the finer points of morality between a Democrat and a Republican, Clinton and Gingrich. No doubt if they had been in Sodom during Genesis times, and the Lord asked "Is there one righteous man?", He could have picked either one. If you want to include Obama and Romney, He would have had four to choose from.
     
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    Both Clinton and Gingrich were immoral. Now Gingrich wants to blame the 'liberal' press for his problems. He was quite successful in diverting the debate. I wonder how many who voted for Newt in the primary were really voting against the press and not for Gingrich.

     
  9. saturneptune

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    You know what I wonder, I wonder why otherwise intelligent people buy into the argument of a difference between Demcrats and Republicans. I wonder why a Christian would lend either any credibility when they steal our tax dollars and Constitutional power daily. I wonder why we continue to elect people who take and not give.
     
  10. Havensdad

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    :thumbsup:

    "LIBERAL!" "RIGHT WING NUT!"

    Divide and Conquer...playing right into the hands of the elite...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqD-Kn4c7ZU
     
  11. mandym

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    Thanks for proving my point. Not that wiki is a credible source.
     
  12. Crabtownboy

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    1. Prove Wiki wrong.

    And, because I figured someone would say what you did, I gave more than one link.

    Are you saying that Gingrich was not preaching family values while at the same time he was participating in infidelity?
     
  13. mandym

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    I suppose that you missed the first part of my post where I said "thanks for making my point". Which means that I am willing to concede to your source on this issue, even though it is largely and unreliable source, because it proves you wrong. And I have not dove into the issue of what values he was "preaching".

    He was not impeached because of an affair which is what you have insisted. He was impeached because he lied to a Federal grand jury. Lying and an affair are two completely different issues and are not to be confused one for the other.
     
  14. shodan

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    Yes, certainly...well, actually no I don't think it was "a bit" I think it was a 'grossly hypocritical.' It was despicable.

    How many years/decades ago was that? He might agree with you himself, now.
    I don't know the state of his heart today. I don't follow him. God does.

    But that was not the point of this thread.
     
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  15. shodan

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    Yes, Gingrich was a serial adulterer. He has stated, "I have been very open about needing to go to God for forgiveness and to seek reconciliation."

    I do not follow him and do not know the state of his heart today but God does. Do you believe in grace?

    How many years/decades ago was that divorce filed and the alleged incident touted by his ex-wife? [It was in 1999.]

    And Gingrich answered the "serious question."
     
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    Three points:

    First, he is a Catholic. He turned to God, but by embracing Catholic Theology, he did not embrace the true God. By his own words, he embraced Catholic Theology, not Christian theology.

    Secondly, he never made reconciliation with his previous wife. There were two people in his life that he should go to for forgiveness, his ex-wife and God.

    Finally, this is a measure of his character and what I know of his character is disgusting. This is not like it happened when he was a kid, but as an adult. Other actions before and since call question to his character as does his attacking people for questioning his character. There are people I personally like but whose character is such that I would not trust them for such a respected office. Anyone can say "Sorry", but becoming a Catholic and failing to ask the ones you harmed for forgiveness shows there lacked a lot in this "repentance."

    Yet, there is nothing that he has shown that would cause me to think he has changed. If I were examining a Pastor, I would want to see tremendous character change. I understand people mess up, but placing trust in people requires more than someone who can give good zingers, but true repentance.
     
  17. shodan

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    First, what you should have said is that he embraced Catholic Theology not Baptist Theology. Both are Christian Theology.

    "...he did not embrace the true God." To claim that the 'Catholic God' is not the true God is the worst piece of bigoted Baptist theology that I have ever read. How many Baptists assert such a thing?

    And this is all off-topic from my original post where I did note that I would not vote for him. But I will give credit where credit is due.

    There is more mercy in Christ than sin in us--Richard Sibbes
     
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  18. Ruiz

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    Sorry Shodan, I have addressed this earlier in another post. You can read my posts below:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1785587&postcount=8

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1785665&postcount=17

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1785673&postcount=18

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1785773&postcount=28

    If you believe in the Catholic Theology, you are not a Christian. According to the teachings of the Catholic church, you are not saved. I pointed out clearly the differences using primary sources. If you want to debate theology, I am game. And this is not that off topic, we should be careful in accepting Catholics who are conservative as good people... and accepting them as Christians. There are some great Catholic politicians... but they are not Christians theologically. I will support their fight for life, but not their support for a justification that is neither Christian or true.
     
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