Global Warming Consensus

1. back in the 1960s there was no "coming global ice age" - that was in the 1970s (they say).

2. Back in the 1960s I was reading Sci-Fi from the Golden Age of Science Fiction: the 1940s & 1950s.

3. the rumors that in the 1970s there was a "coming global 'ice age" is not the way I remember it. There was some talk of a nuclear winter after an all-out nuclear war. So the scientific 'support' for a "coming global 'ice age" was a lot smaller than the 1 out of 2,000 dissing Global Warming.

4. This world isn't my home, I'm just passing through. People planning on staying a while or who think the Lord might tarry another 100 years -- you can't get in on the political (who gets what) discussion while you metaphorically bury your head in the sand.

 

You are right Elder Brother Jim1999. The problem is not Canada, it is China and their property: the USofA. China wants to pollute the air with their autos, not those in the USofA.

 

Hello Jim,

I used to live in Cobb County, GA just north of Atlanta (from 1993 to 1998). The snow storm you referenced above is most certainly not the first time it has snowed in the Atlanta metro area. It snowed in Atlanta the day I moved there in October 1993. In January 1994 we had an ice storm that crippled the area for several days (the GADOT just does not invest much in snow and ice fighting equipment and materials). I recall there was snow on the ground when my youngest was born in January 1995. I also have pictures of my kids playing in the snow from the winter of 1996 or 1997.

 

Hello Jim,

There is no doubt that there is mad-made pollution. The question is "Is CO2 (our very breath) causing the earth to get warmer?"

 

Bible-Boy,

Thanks. I don't live there. I just get reports from daughter and the news.

Daughter said it was the first snow she experienced in her town, Roswell....I never mentioned snow in Atlanta...The news said it was the first hurricane or tornado,,can't remember what it was called, to hit Atlanta.. Can't remember if they said in 100 years, or not. That's all.

Cheers,

Jim

 

The question is "Who qualifies as 'authority' ?"

First of all, we usually consider that it is specialists, academicsions, investigators, highly educated in an area of specialty which speak with the authority consistant with their familiarity of experience and/or education. Unfortunately, we often limit 'authority' as established by a combination of educational credentials and employment in field or research. By discrediting all others who may be in possession of education and acquainted with research or some past experience in employment or research.... we may be trusting and limiting the summations of authority to those individuals who knew what their projects requested and expected to be the outcome for which they were funded and employed to prove and back up. Often times trade, specialty, and professional journals are funded and supported by advertising dollars and subject to influences of monetary pressures to censure or repress certain data and articles while publishing others, however questionable or sound, which will promote their interest and the interest of their sponsors. Some journals attempt to decrease this influence of data by insisting that an author reveals a summary of credentials to include those areas of investment, employment, or consulting with business or institutions which may be viewed as a possible conflict of interest. This does not prevent scewed data from being presented or insure that conflicting data which is well developed and supported against the business interest of the publisher will make it to print.

The bottom line is that sadly many professional people, who's integrity and ethics were more important to them than fame or income, have and do speak out in many areas of expertise, having both credentials and authority, but have been sidelined and ostracized due to their refusal to alter the truth of their discoveries or refusal to conceal the flaws contained in the laboratory setting or the collection of data.

So your concerned about percentages..... or expertise ...... or both...... hum..... as in a vote?

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Folks will believe what they want to believe. I agree with Bible Boy's presentation, that God who created the universe and all that is in it, and set the earth in such a careful balance to the sun and among the orbits of the planets, has certainly designed this earth to support all which he gives life to. I do suspect that he will allow man to participate in humanity's own self destructive plan as part of his divine judgement...... through sinister means such as warfare which uses nuclear and depleted uranium to contaminate the environment and inflict death, or designing bacteria by gene splicing for diseases and plagues for which nothing in nature was created to combat, or genetically alterating food crops so that production is controlled and limited and the nutrition is unaturally altered against that which our bodies require, or gene splicing between the species which corrupts the nature and balance between man and animals.

 

Due to latitude, Atlanta fairly regularly receives 'ice storms' more often that say, Central KY, or many other areas. I have actually passed through Atanta in the aftermath off one of these.

However, that is not usual for Valdosta, located some 200 miles further South, which received one this week.

Couple that with Houston and New Orleans both receiving snow this week, along with KY Temps for the last three weeks being much colder than average, and I'm supposed to believe this cold temps is the result of "Global Warming consensus"??

In that case, this "Global Warming" is about to cause me to freeze off my buns!

Ed

 

It is strange that is is cold there, so much further south than Prague, Czech Republic. We are at 51 degrees North ... like central Canada and it has been a warm fall here. I was talking with a lady from Latvia. She said when she was a girl she was on skis from late November until April, but that now they are lucky to get in a week or two of sking ... and they are quite far north of Prague ... like Hudson Bay in Canada.

 

I don't accept the assumption that this is a theological question. It's a scientific question. Once you start politicizing scientific issues or making them theological questions you run into situations like the one Gallileo found himself under house arrest for the last years of his life for supporting Copernicus' theory that the sun not the earth is the center of our solar system.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei


Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime. The geocentric view had been dominant since the time of Aristotle, and the controversy engendered by Galileo's presentation of heliocentrism as proven fact resulted in the Catholic Church's prohibiting its advocacy as empirically proven fact, because it was not empirically proven at the time and was contrary to the literal meaning of Scripture.[7] Galileo was eventually forced to recant his heliocentrism and spent the last years of his life under house arrest on orders of the Roman Inquisition.

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Christian scientists believe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science


Christian Science is believed by its supporters to be a system of spiritually scientific truths which are summed up in the two commandments: having one God, one Mind, one Life, Truth and Love; and loving your neighbor as yourself. It is believed to bring spiritual solutions to problems and healing, when conscientiously applied. It was established by Mary Baker Eddy during the 19th century and is practiced by members of the Church of Christ, Scientist, as well as by others who study the Christian Science textbook which she wrote: Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.

It teaches that we are spiritual rather than material, that truth and good are real and therefore evil and error are unreal, and that through prayer and spiritual comprehension, through knowing and understanding God, these facts can be spiritually achieved and demonstrated.
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Therefore they reject modern medical aid and die of curable conditions. For me the jury is still out on Global warming but I see a lot of evidence supporting it. Let's let the scientists study the issue and not the theologians or the politicians.

 

It is not a scientific issue. It is purely a political issue fabricated to gain socialized power over others.

 

Thus saith the "expert"! :laugh:

 

The global warming myth and its selfish defenders
by John A. Baden, Ph.D. and Tim O’Brien


.............Amidst the uncertainties, one thing is certain: Some groups benefit if the public believes global warming is a genuine crisis that can only be stopped with massive political mobilization. Irresponsible efforts by these groups fuel fears of widespread drought and crop failures, of super powerful hurricanes, of oceans engulfing coastal cities, and of blazing summer temperatures. How do they gain by hyping global warming?

For environmental groups, global warming is the ultimate issue. It affects everyone, it is dramatic and thus captures the public's attention, and it can only be solved by mobilizing government to impose regulations and develop programs. For those environmentalists hostile toward industrial civilization, global warming provides a rationale to impose their version of ecotopia. The threat of global warming gives license to those who seek to profit from crises.........................


http://www.free-eco.org/articleDisplay.php?id=294

 

When referring to the past by experience, I found that my memory is tainted by what I want to remember.

We tend to remember the extreme good times and the extreme bad times. That is our memory. I remember coming to Canada and seeing snow piled up along the side of the city roads in Montreal and Toronto. I also remember the snow plows passing over the roads only a few times each week unlike to-day where they come out virtually minutes after a snow fall. They didn't truck snow away years ago, as they do to-day. Hence, I remember snow over my head years ago. So, we don't ge as much snow to-day!!!!!!

I don't remember even seeing snow in London as a lad, and London is further north than is Canada. My older sisters, however, remember stuffing snow down my neck to make me cry. Then mother would take me off their hands and fetch me indoors. Memory tainted by what we want to remember.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Well, winter is finally here. I like it.

I trust the climate will do what God wants it to do. And we will be powerless to stop it.

People should practice what their faith leads them to practice.

But what has a government agency ever been able to fix ?

 

I'd say there are actually a few legitimate scientific issues and questions, here.

However, as you well noted, what we are mostly seeing is nothing more than religious (pantheism and humanism) and political (anti-capitalism and pro-socialism) agendae, that are based on selective "junk science" with a large dose of "human pride" thrown in for good measure, rather than a legitimate full, open scientific inquiry.

Ed

 

Over my 60 years, I have actually picked nice tomatoes from the vine the week of Christmas; sat outside in a short sleeve shirt on Christmas Day, with the temps above 70, (and been here a couple of times on Christmas Day when the wind chill reached a -50* F, as well), baled hay after New Years, not seen the ground for over a month, due to being show-covered, seen both the coldest day (-35* F, 1992? ) and second coldest (-34* F, 1963? ) days ever recorded in Central KY, seen an extremely warm January followed by one of the coldest Februarys on record, seen the most ice recorded here in recorded times, the greatest single snowfall ever recorded in our area (I personally measured a depth of 28" on top of a tractor hood.), seen years when the total snowfall was less than 6 in.; seen one of the warmest Februarys, etc., etc., from year to year. I have seen winters where we had to feed the cattle only with a tractor, as we simply could not get the trucks through all the mud, and others where I have not even had to engage the 4-whell drive over a half dozen times on the feed truck. (You can do that here, when the ground remains frozen, and fairly dry.) Thus far, we have had to use 4-wheel about 5 or 6 times, this winter, when it was raining, and we do not have any hard-surfaced roads to travel, either, only bare dirt, and are fairly rolling in topography, as opposed to running on flat ground.

This winter is starting off to be extremely cold, and extremely dry, as well, as we have just experienced the overall driest 8 months, from May of any recent memory. In short, it varies greatly from year to year, without any certainty. "Global warming or cooling, as was the cry from the alarmists some two to three decades ago.

Strange, that some of the same alarmists for "Global Cooling" are now among the "Global Warming" shrills and shills.

Incidentally, if you didn't like KY's weather today, just wait until tomorrow, when it will probably be different. :thumbs:

Ed

 

Looking for hints in 1970s documents that there is a coming World cooling that we should be concerned about - I ran across this:

From Reader's Digest 1976 Almanac and Yearbook (Reader's Digest, 1975), page 242

In October President Ford gave Congress a plan to set up an Energy Independence Authority that would invest $100 Billion in the development of new energy sources during the next seven years.

(this was to produce energy independence in the USofA in ten years.)

 

Hey Jim,

Roswell, GA is a suburb of Atlanta. It is in what they call the Metro-Atlanta area. In fact, if memory serves correctly Roswell and Atlanta are both in the same county (Fulton County, GA). I lived in Atlanta (inside the I-285 Perimeter) when I first moved down there in October 1993. Then in 1994 I purchased a home in Acworth, GA (which is in Cobb County, GA and is still part of Metro-Atlanta). The snow events I mentioned in my previous post would have certainly included snow in Roswell, GA because it is all the same area.

 

As a Bible believeing Christian I must allow my Theology to be the lense through which I view the world around me. I can not divorce "science" from Theology. This is the difference between me and Liberal Theologians (they allow other things to have authority over God's Word and I don't). The problem with the examples you cited is that those who are supposed to be representing the Christian position (RCC and the Christian Science community) neither represent proper Christian Theology nor science.

 

Bible-boy.

Roswell is about 20 miles north of Atlanta, or so I am told. It is a rather elite area, or so the residents think so. All professional people live there. I have never been there, but wife goes down about two or three times a year. They don't have much to do with Atlanta proper, even though my daughter does work in Atlanta. I only know what I am told. She moved there after living about 5 years in Tampa, Fla.

Cheers,

Jim