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'Global Warming' is all about money.

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. Revmitchell

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    Hence the change in the name from global warming to climate change. But hey...lets all defer to wikipedia...:rolleyes:
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Post #15's source above says:

    //The case for investing in these industries has hinged on the fact that supplies of fossil fuels are finite and increasingly costly to extract.//

    This problem has concerned me since 1973 when I moved to a nuclear war target to further my education so I could make more money. When I got the better paying job (I earned 1$MILLION 1976-2000) I figured I could work until the price of gas got up to $8 a gallon and ride by myself, though doubtless I'll carpool long before that. I did carpool most of the years, even drove a 42MPG car for 6 of those years. Still, since the Cold War ended in the 1990s, the major world problem has been: who gets to use the oil? Some say that the supply of oil is unlimited (let me call them 'polar bear killers'). But even if the supply of oil is unlimited, burning it causes the greenhouse effect.

    I remember back about 1972-1973 when I was studying for my new, higher paying job, (I'll earn 1$MILLION just on retirement 2006-2026, if I don't die first). So I think I made a good decision money-wise. Recall my family tithes (one tenth) faithfully to my LOCAL church (not some 'universal church'). The congress of the USofA was trying to limit oil production in the Gulf of Mexico. So they made some rules limiting the production by the USofA (I hear China and India are now mining oil from under the USofA from stations off the 12-mile limits -- in international waters. But good-old American technology (remember when the USofA lead the world in technology and shared that technology with other countries?) was developed so people can actually get oil from 30 miles over and 6 miles down.

    All the oil is going to be gone some day. That is obvious. I've been reading Science Fiction since the late 1950s (some written in the 1940s, but I didn't read them until the 1960s) of what might happened in worlds too polluted to continue life. When the oil runs out, we will run out also. I spend some $400 a month on meds that keep my heart going. Most meds are developed with 'evil oil money'. I have to have special vehicles (primarily air conditioning/air filtering), developed with 'evil oil money'. Anyway, back to the story. Back about 1975-1976 the U.S. Congressional folk desided to limit oil production in the Gulf of Mexico. The Congress said that the oil companies could NOT produce at full capacity. At the same time the only US producers of TVs (since gone over seas) was Zenith. Zenith could NOT produce at full capacity cause nobody much was buying more TVs then Zenith could produce in about 30 hours per week on their USofA assembly lines.

    About 1978 came a news headline: "Exxon Profits Double". But Exxon was NOT a good investment at the time (I'm talking stocks) cause their ROI (return on investment) went from 0.5% (½-of 1%) to 1% (that is a double). Meanwhile, the good investment on profit was CBS which ROI when from 9.6% to 10.4% (nowhere near DOUBLE).
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    Short answer: no.

    Longer answer: leading groups of scientists in the 1970 is a different group of people from the leading groups of scientists today.

    BTW, if a lowering of Global Temperatures was expected by the 2000s, but the temperatures rose (as they did 2000-2007) -- this means that the Natural lowering caused was CHANGED to a man-made raising by people burning oil.

    BTW#2: It is probably an error to let what less than 2% of the leading scientists said in the 1970s to TRUMP what 80% of the leading scientists are saying in the 2000s.
     
  4. Alcott

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    The large and increasing use of fossil fuels for energy could change the course of global temperature progression and that wasn't accounted for? Some scientists!

    Where does Trump come into it? He's afraid his NY hotels will be under water before 2034?
     
  5. poncho

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    What? Are we supposed to believe there is some vast conspiracy out there manipulating public opinion in order to make money?

    Fearmongering for profit? No way.

    Sounds like you've stepped into tin foil hat country with this one Carpro. :laugh:
     
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  6. Ed Edwards

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    I like your avatar, Bro Poncho! Reminds me of this:

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    by ed:
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    Speaking of "New world Order".

    Look at the back (green side) of your US$1 bill.

    Look at that left picture of the pyramid.
    Check out the logo below the pyramid:

    NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM

    That is written in Latin.

    'SECLORUM' is the Latin word from which we get
    the English world 'secular'. 'Secular' started out as
    a word that meant 'worldly' as opposed to
    the clergy which was supposed to be 'other worldly' ;)

    'ORDO' the the Latin word from which we
    get 'order': a ranking, or organization, or set.

    'NOVUS' is a Latin word from which we get 'new'.
    (it really is, look it up)

    Roughly then we find:

    NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM = New World Order

    Wikipedia says at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_Ordo_Seclorum

     
  7. poncho

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    I get a kick out some folks here that are willing to believe that leftists would conspire to gain control and profit from GW fearmongering while denying that rightists are capable of terrorist fearmongering to gain control and profit.

    Doesn't seem very consistant to me. The only difference is the face of the "enemy".

    Guess it all depends on which team you happen to be on.

    BTW Ed. those notes in your bill fold are Federal Reserve notes. The FR is neither federal nor a reserve but a private banking institution empowered by congress in 1913. If I remember correctly (constitutionally) an American "dollar" is a coin containing 371.25 grains of fine silver. So, you're actually talking about a fiat currency and not "dollars"..

    Yes I know the story about the "seal". Forget now who came up with it I'd have to go back and google it some. The History Channel...or propanganda channel as I've come to see it lately did a piece on it. HC tried to claim it was just a "coicidence" but then HC also did a piece on the founding fathers claiming they were all Freemasons and the principles on which the USA was founded are therefore Masonic. Could be but either way I doubt very much the founders had a global government of international socialism with an elitist control grid at it's core in mind when they set up our republic. After reading the founders writtings it seems that they were adamantly against the tyranical form of government the globalists are setting up now.

    I mean if they loved tyranny they would have just stuck with ole King George.
     
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  8. Ed Edwards

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    The coin in my pocket doesn't say 'Federal Reserve Note' nor 'dollar'. The coin says "One Troy Oz, .999 fine silver. It is worth "$"17.48 in funni munni. (a the date/time stamp on this post at:)
    [ http://www.goldmastersusa.com/silver_historical_prices.asp ]

    Speaking of 'change' -- I wonder how much change (funni munni) I'll have in my pocket in 2012? Here is the benchmark:
    Right pocket: $5.00 (Monroe 'dolla' coins)
    Left pocket: $1.25 (quartas )
     
  9. poncho

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    Guess that depends on the inflation tax and whether or not we've switched over to the global funni munni by then. And how good you are saving your funni munni.
     
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    The consultants are already busy giving market study presentations to the purveyors of solutions for all the pending legislation. Other consultants are busy lobbying the regulators with their solutions to raise the bar on acceptable control technolgy. It's all about making money!
     
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    I don't deny that both are capable. The difference is that, unlike global warming/climate change, terrorism IS A REAL THREAT! Take another look at the tapes of the events on 9/11 if you have forgotten that reality. The alleged horrible consequences of global warming are still confined to the imaginations of a limited number of people, most of whom have a financial interest in accepting and promoting belief in the 'threat.'
     
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