Gnosticism 2

I certainly hope not, Dr. Bob. I pray not also. Where would David Cloud fit in in this particular situation. I know he condemns Ruckman, and he also condemns anyone who is not KJVO.

AVL1984

 

Do you agree with James White concerning the gnosticism? </font>[/QUOTE]Whatever the historical facts may or may not be, there is no evidence in the MVs that there is any gnostic influence. This is such an astounding claim to me that it's on a par of someone asserting that when you sing "A Mighty Fortress is Our God" backwards, you are actually chanting to the goddess, or something like that.

In fact, there are plenty of statements in the NT of the MVs that go AGAINST Gnostic beliefs! Especially 1 Jn 4.4 and the whole book of Colossians! Where is the Good Grief graemlin when you need it? will have to do.

 

Amen Marcia. I have asserted in several threads that modern KJVOnlyism is much more gnostic in its theology than any teachings that could remotely be called scriptural, even if you use MV's

You only have to look as far as this statement which has become a mockery here on the BB

"If only you understood, you would understand"
gnosis if I ever saw it!

 

This defender of MVs disagrees with you, Marica.

Only an agnostic would write such a thing.

 

This defender of MVs disagrees with you, Marica. </font>[/QUOTE]You did not give the name of the person who said this or where he/she said it?

Please give
Name
Book and page no. or Web link
This person's evidence for what he claims
...............

Until that is done, any of us could write anything here claming anything. This quote means nothing with no source or evidence given to go along with it.

I still have seen no Gnostic evidence in the MVs and I read them all the time. Evidence?

 

So tell us what you see. I am unable to see the facts you present. In 1 John the writer is dealing with the issue of gnosticism. Do you also see Mithraism in the scriptures being dealt with too.

 

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So tell us what you see. I am unable to see the facts you present. In 1 John the writer is dealing with the issue of gnosticism. Do you also see Mithraism in the scriptures being dealt with too.
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First of all, many have taken what I have said, and twisted and changed it to make it seem as though I said something different so they could false accuse me of being gnostic. I am not surprised, as the very mv's many of you use, do this very same exact thing with the scriptures. This is what you cannot see, nor do you understand. Many of you just plain do not understand the scriptures, nor do you make any attempts to understand them, or to even understand what others have said about them. This is not gnositicism to tell you this. This is telling you the truth. The not understanding is not understanding plain scriptural and biblical truth concerning this issue.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

I have a cousin who has a preacher
who knows a PHD that says you are signing
different stuff which each hand*.
Catch the drift: you get nowhere in this
forum wihout detailing your sources.
Quite frankly, your PHD quote looks like
something you would say AND i can't find it
on the net with Google.

* This is a deaf metaphor.
The hearing metaphor is "speaking with
two tongues" or "speaking out of both
sides of the mouth".

 

As a brother in Christ, Askjo, the very least you could do is give the name and source of your material. I asked politely for this and all you said to me if that I'm ignoring the evidence. How can I ignore what was never posted or given?

What evidence??? Please post it! Please post the source of your quote!

There are a lot of fools with PhD's; that means nothing. I want to see evidence of Gnostic beliefs in the MV's, in context of the passages.

 

Wrong. We call your hand, and then you try to 'spin' your way out of it. It really pays to 'Preview Post' and see if it says what you meant to say BEFORE you hit 'Add Reply'.

Only as gnostic as the whole King James Version Only myth itself.

"If it waddles like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a dock..."

Proof please. And we need more than "I believe it" or "Everyone knows it." Either post hard evidence (chapter and verse, reputable source-not a KJVO idiot), or shut up about it. Unsubstantiated accusations are nothing, Michelle.

If you can't back it up, get lost.

Here we go with the gnosticism again. "If you only understood, then you would understand."

Actually, we understand them very well. And we believe them, not a man-made myth. The fact that we reject your favorite falacy means that we do not understand and reject Scripture in your eyes...but only in your eyes.

And we understand full well what you have said about them. It's just that you have no idea what you are talking about.

No, your beliefs are gnostic. Telling us this is just a waste of server space and a minor annoyance.

...according to Michelle...which has no bearing on reality as far as the Scriptures are concerned.

"If you only understood, then you would understand."

You have yet to give any truth concerning this issue, plain, scriptural, biblical, or otherwise. Try doing that, and we'll see where it goes. But we don't need any of your "Michelleisms" or "You just don't understnd".

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Could you give us a website or or other documentation that would support your view?

 

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Actually, we understand them very well. And we believe them, not a man-made myth. The fact that we reject your favorite falacy means that we do not understand and reject Scripture in your eyes...but only in your eyes.

And we understand full well what you have said about them. It's just that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Actually Trotter, you haven't used any scripture to back up your false accusations of me, nor to show me or others where we are understanding the scriptures wrong. It is only your opinion. I personally believe &lt;personal attack deleted&gt;


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

[ September 12, 2004, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

Askjo: "Sorry, you and he disagree each other because he who has Ph. D degree, knows this fact that you refuse to admit."

Ed! Another double! It's ok to appeal to doctorate-holding scholars (of any stripe) when they *support* positions held within the KJVO camp, but doctorate-holding scholars who *oppose* positions held within the KJVO camp are guilty of "scholarolotry" and cannot be trusted (or much stronger terms of abuse).

BTW, Askjo, it would really help to give full names when quoting someone, since otherwise we can't tell who are you talking about. There in fact are *three* Pickerings: the majority text advocate Dr Wilbur Pickering; the pro-Alexandrian-text Australian scholar, Dr Stuart Pickering; and now (for the first time I have heard it) "the blind Dr. Pickering who taught at Central Baptist Seminary in Minneapolis."

Regardless of which Pickering, precisely *what* particular "Gnostic readings" does this Pickering claim to exist in the MV's underlying text? No one can evaluate a claim without the reference point being stated. Please provide the scriptural location where the alleged "Gnostic variiants" appear.

Askjo: "Get Pickering's words!"

Agreed. Either tell us where he said them so we can check for ourselves, or simply post the complete quotations here with the bibiliographical refererence. Only when that is done can anyone else take a look at them and evaluate them.

 

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No, your beliefs are gnostic. Telling us this is just a waste of server space and a minor annoyance.

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Excuse me, but this is an attack on me, and a false accusation and should be snipped. Where are the moderators when this is done? But I give my personal opinion of someone beliefs, and you snip it.


I am beginning to smell hypocracy on these boards.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle