Goals of the liberal left /socialists /communists

What makes Communism or Socialism fail is that it is based on a flawed view of mankind. In order to work properly goodwill and compassion have to replace selfish greed as the prime motivator behind human activity. From the Mayflower colony to the Soviet Union every time it has been tried it has failed because people are not generous and giving, they are selfish and greedy.

If all people were perfect then communism would be the perfect system. We would all work as hard as we could, not for ourselves but for our fellow men and women. The reality is that we only put forth effort when we get something for it.

 

Communism, in it 'purity' was never meant to work: The idealogy, however, did serve a purpose to appeal to the hopes of inexperienced and niave youths, and all who don't believe in heaven but have a need to think that they can make one. It also served the purpose of semantitics, where you call something by another name to muddle its recognition: Example: You're a herdsman of sheep and goats: both are indanger of wolves: in sneak the wolves in disguise and convince the sheep and the herdsman that the goats are wolves in disquise: After a while, the herdsman, who was once well experienced, lapses in his quick recognition between a goat and a wolf: The sheep, being more dependant on instruction, which is never complete, and direct experience would most likely prove deadly, are more quickly persuaded that the goats are their enemy and really wolves in disguise. In the meantime there is a gradual reduction in all the flock.....both sheep and goats. The goats don't understand the animosity and attacks directed against them. The sheep and herdsman blame the goats, and the wolves grow fatter and stronger until they have so weakened and distracted the whole that now they can reveal themselves and surprise the unbelieving prey. The herdsman, sheep and goats are confused, and some fight among themselves, no longer understanding how to recognize the enemy..... and the enemy, for the most part, watches the entertainment in preparation for the final kill and total control.

Communism has always been the excuse and the thing feared by some: For the idealist who need castles in the sky, it has also served its purpose of indoctrination: All the while, it is really socialism which is really developed as a means of control and government. Socialism is control of wealth, and power and people by an elite group: It is redistribution of the wealth: It promises security programs in exchange for something yielded in return: It is dessigned to build confidence and gradually, a dependance, as other compensatory but individualistic options are discouraged or more difficult to maintain (the individual choice to remain independant and self reliant). When finally an area of weakness is under sufficient control, the weakness is revealed that there is no promise to continue the supply: Those who might have made a choice against dependance, were disabled and weakened by their obligations to support the programs.... and can no longer recover the independance and self reliance they once valued.

We are already sold into the Beast/Socialist system.

 

A Repost

I posted this article just a short time ago in the News and Current Events forum but it really needs to be here as well since it is so relevant to this discussion. The article is from NewsWithViews columnist John Loeffler and I think you'll agree with his assessment. You decide:

:tonofbricks: John Loeffler -- The Sad Road to Socialism

God Help Us,raying: Greg Perry Sr.

 

You're saying that the Mayflower colony was socialist? Wouldn't they be part of our "Founding Fathers?" Actually, I just looked this up and you're right. I didn't know that.

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0902/0902amsoc.htm


But of course the early Christians were socialist as well.

Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

 

What is it that makes people believe in a system that's never worked anyway?

Nevermind I know, socialists control our schools and colleges and media and call themselves public officials and VIPs.

Hey wait a minute if socialism doesn't work how come it's everywhere?

Nevermind I know, it's a liberal/leftist/communist conspiracy out to get us all. Or it could just be gross ineptitude.

Oh wait we don't believe in conspiracies. Ineptitude? Depends on who's in office...mmmmm

Scratching my head.

So I'm left with people are either real dumb or easily influenced. Or both?

Are there any other reasons?

 

The 'socialism' experienced within the early Christian community, was first of all, an agreement of a common faith, which then expressed itself sprititually in agreement and practically in sharing and increasing strength and solidarity and was both effective and infective in its appeal to the lost world who witnessed from without.

It should be no mystery, then, that the NW SOCIALIST ORDER is conspiring to develope a common 'religion' by which to solidify the agreement among otherwise disparate groups to accept the control of and the dependancy on the government. The freedom we have in Jesus Christ, means all true believers will not be 'conforming' and 'predictable zombies/slaves' and worshippers of the state. This will put the body of Christ (not the churches....cause many 'churches' and leadership will apostasize and conform to the beast system) into persecution.

 

OK, first off, it was not socialism as much as it was communism. It was not that they were trying to cure society; they just tried to share everything in common. In the early church we see that they held all property in common (Acts 2:44). It was communism. It is the same form of government the Mayflower colony tried their first winter. It did not work. In both cases lack of productivity led to starvation and poverty. At it is important to notice that both of these communities were strong Christian communities filled with good people. But when selfish motivations were removed the productivity of the people plummeted.

Why do people keep trying this form of government if it never works? Because it fits their view of humanity. If we believe that all people are good or at least if there is more good in people than bad then we tend to think this will work. If we accept the Biblical idea that we are all sinners and their dwells in us no good thing then we understand why this model fails every time. And of course we also understand why we need a savior.

 

So you're not concerned about socialism per se. You're concerned about what some socialists might choose to do. Correct? Otherwise you're arguing that we shouldn't accept the example of the Biblical church.

 

Hold the phone! your not suggesting that we try to follow this Biblical example are you?

Look there are lots of examples in scripture. Some are good examples and some are bad examples. This idea of holding all their possessions in common did not work. You see Paul later begging for charity to help the poor members of this particular congregation. You had deceit in the example given to us in Ananias and Sapphira. You had church members who quit their jobs and refused to contribute. You had people depending on the Lord's Supper for their food. Surely this example is given to us as a bad example we should avoid.

Another key difference between the communism of the early church and the communist governments of nations like China is that in the church it was completely voluntary. No one was forced or compelled to give up their possessions. Peter makes that clear when he deals with Ananias in Acts 5. There is a big difference between voluntarily sharing the blessings God has given us and having a government confiscate and redistribute them.

 

Yea, what you said Rev.

 

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Such is the tunnel vision of the socialists (read- today's liberals)!

 

There's no command here. Just a description of the New Testament church. Since you know better than they did do it your way.

 

I guess God is just another Socialist then. Remember the Year of Jubilee when the land of Israel was to be redistributed and the debts were to be forgiven. It would seem that this at least has socialistic tendencies in its application.

 

No.

Socialists and Communists are thieves and oppressors. The early Christians were givers and liberators. They understood that while a man owned a thing, it was under his own power, not under the power of the church (or state for that matter.) Acts 5:4.

 

You need to read more. The year of Jubilee was not a redistribution of of land and wealth.