God’s view of today’s Tea Party

never said there was. But since we gather to preach the Word, I think it's rather special.

 

Christ said "seek ye first the kingdom of God" not "seek ye only the Kingdom of God"

It's not wrong to be involved with earthly things like politics and the government in their proper priority and moderation.

In fact praying for those in office is a biblical directive.

1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour.​

HankD

 

Glad you're name is still learning. I hope you'll live up to your name because this is just whacked.
:BangHead:

 

No you’re not simply quoting scripture, you are twisting it to say something it doesn’t.

You quote Proverbs 30:23b, “an handmaid that is heir to her mistress.” Then you take that phrase and try to use it to advocate a caste system that is opposed to other scriptures. The problem in this verse is not the handmaiden, it is that the woman had no children. You could take this same passage and use it to say that the thing “none of us should tolerate” (your words)is women who put off getting married and having children.

You quoted Prov 30:23a, an odious woman when she is married. You rightfully point out that the subject “woman” is not in the Hebrew and the word Odious can refer to any hateful person. But you mess up the word married. The Hebrew here is ba’al and it can mean be husband or lord over. It does not necessarily mean married but can mean anyone who is ruled over. The verse is talking about anyone who hates those who have rightful rule over them. This fits into the context of the passage which says we should not revolt against our laws but should work within them for change. Which is exactly what the tea party is doing, working within our system of government.

You really mess up your explanation of verse 22. If a fool filled with meat is something that is bad how about looking down at verse 25 which praises the wisdom of the ants in preparing for their winter. Those two verses (Proverbs 30:22 and 25) come real close to saying, “if any would not work, neither should he eat.” (that’s also in II Thes 3:10)

Yes I shared my opinion, but I also backed it up with scripture did I not?

I will agree with you that some forms of "speaking out" could be considered rebellion, but those are not the forms the tea party has used. Breaking laws, spreading lies, and destroying property have pretty much been tools used by those opposed to the tea party.

 

I think it deals with the Roman empire when it was mixed with the various tribal groups from europe later on.

I've been searching for anyone who thot that the seed of men dealt with democracy.

But our form of gov't is not really a democracy, it is a federated republic which is far different.

 

I do, to. But the word is being preached 7 days a week, because people are sharing Christ with other people every day of the week.

I like this little thing I heard about several years ago

There was a church that had a sign above the front door. The sign said "Now is when the ministry begins."

It was on the INSIDE of the front door. People see as they are LEAVING the church.

:thumbs:

 

Agreed that we're not where we were, or should be...but we are by no means a straight-up democracy.

Still trying to figure out where on earth you pulled this caste system stuff from.

And since I assume you buy into that...who should we assume should be members of the "slave" caste? And who should own them?

 

God's view of human governments is as ravening beasts that bite and devour (Nebuchadnezzar's dream notwithstanding). His commandments to human governments is that they do justice, punish the evildoer and praise those who do well.

Government created to establish justice and ensure domestic tranquility, a government yoked by law, God's law, is pleasing to Him. Those officers are His ministers.

 

Just because we live in a fallen world--that doesn't mean "hey, any idea I think is a bad one--it must be good!"

OK, building an entire political worldview on three verses out of Proverbs? Wow. Wee bit of context is your friend.

And frankly, you lost me on this. "Political leadership" is an amoral concept. "Democracy" is a govnermental system--and can be widely interpreted; thus, who knows what it might mean. "Homosexual rights?" Don't even know why you threw that in there, or what it had to do with the rest. Then we come to "casteless society..."

If it is your contention that we should live our society exactly as described (once again--we should delineate between described and prescribed)--then we must re-institute slavery; allow for polygamy; view and treat women as property; allow for the killing of rebellious children by their parents; and more.

No thinking person desires all of those things.

Wicked? Maybe not. Inferior? Without question. A stratified caste-based society is inferior to ours--one in which an individual, due to initiative, hard work, and willingness to strive for excellence--and we are blessed to live in such a setting today.

Nice-sounding answer--but way too evasive.

I'm sorry, but I seriously doubt you resemble anything near a true "slave" caste. And we're back to the original problem: if you are going to treat the descriptive as prescriptive, then all-out, full-blown societal issues we have long eliminated (such as slavery, women as property, polygamy, revenge killings, etc.,) have to be allowed.

 

I think you have both looked too far ahead. It was the Jewish people who were warned not to mingle theirselves with other nations and no one knew the results of that better than Solomon (the supposed author of Proverbs) who had more women from other lands than he knew what to do with and they led him away from God and His commands.

 

So, MK, how does it feel to be a tool of Satan?

Careful...you'll end up in the "tool of Satan" caste, forever to remain...


Stilllearning, MK holds God's word in high regard. Trust me--you misunderstood her point.

 

Then I apologize for my outburst. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

 

SL, before posting you may want to think of a few things:
1. Have I thought through what I am posting to it's logical conclusion?
2. Will readers be able to clearly understand what I am posting?
3. Is there a danger of my post being misinterpreted? If so, then perhaps I should reword.
4. Maybe I should leave my random thoughts to myself instead of risking looking like a _____________.