God can only save those who believe

So you believe that God only seeks to save those who He knows will be saved?

And in His "reaching", is He not trying to save all mankind?

God desires that all repent and none perish, yet according to your statements, God can only save those who put their faith in Christ.
He wants to save everyone but He cannot unless they believe.
Let's flesh this out.
God wants to save "Bob", "Sue", and "John", but only "Sue" will believe, so he loses "Bob" and "John". He is powerless to save them. He desires that all repent and none perish, but Bob and John will perish because God cannot save them unless they first believe.
So why pray to God about "Bob" and "John"?
What can He do that He has not already done?? He wants to save them, yet He cannot. He is powerless.

You said this above:

How does that work with "Bob" and "John"?
Does He not want to save them?

 

Amy,
God can't sin.
Do you "like" that phrase?

 

And when He "draws all", is He not wanting all to be saved?

Deal with the issue, webdog.
I stated:

He cannot save those who do not believe.
How "can" He?
Salvation comes from belief.
If you believe, you are saved.
If you do not believe, you are not saved.
Again:
If you do not believe, God cannot save you.
He desires that all be saved, yet He cannot save all unless all believe.

Do you teach your children that God "can" save them if they do not believe?
No, you are teaching them that if they believe God "can" and will save them.
I ask you, what if they do not believe, "can" God save them?

Show me please, where this is a "non sequitur" and a "flawed analogy".

 

I don't mind.
You need to adjust your thinking about this.
The Bible speaks of things that God "cannot" do.
We are not "safer" than the Holy Spirit.
If the Bible says there are things God cannot do, then using that language is biblical.
You seem to think that you are somehow limiting God if you say there are things God cannot do.
You are not limiting Him.
Sin is a lack of power.
God does not lack any power and therefore cannot sin. Also His perfect Holiness means He cannot sin and the fact that there is no being that God must give an account to or obey. He is God, there is no other, therefore He cannot sin.

 

So what does this mean?:

He obviously does not save everyone He wants, but only those who believe.
God wants to save more than He can save.
That's why I say He is powerless according to your views.
He cannot save all those who He wants to save.
He can only save those who believe.
He does not have the power over anyone's salvation. Man has the power.

But what you mean is that He does want to save someone, but He cannot
This issue with your analogy is "He is powerless to save them".

I don't understand your statements at all.

That is true, but that's not what we are talking about.

 

What is unbiblical about saying that God cannot save those who do not believe?

 

Exactly.
He knows with perfect certainty.
So why interpret passages in such a way that make God look inept?
God wants to save people, yet He cannot.
Why?
Because man won't let Him.
Man has the power.
God does not.
He is powerless to save the very ones He wants to save. So God in vain desires that which He can never have, the salvation of all mankind.
So God loses. He wants that which He cannot have and the non-Cal says,
"What is so hard about that?"
Apparently nothing if you can't see the problems with God knowing those who will not be saved, yet He "draws" them all anyway.

What does the "drawing" do for those who will never be saved?

 

So you agree then?
God cannot save those who do not believe.

 

What I said:

What you said:

So why did you answer that way if you agree?