"Is God that controlling?" If He is in that much control, then we need to ask ourselves, do we trust Him, is He a good and righteous God? If we simply answer that, we will have no problem understanding He is in control of all, nor will we have trouble accepting it. For He is good and He is perfect and He is just. Let's understand then His controlling all things on the platform of Who He Is, OK? Now... The bolded part is from your words, not from mine. You added to them, specifically "every." I said He put them there? Or is that from you also? Or, did I imply He allows it? In answer, I never stated He puts evil thoughts in man. I did say He controls thoughts. I'm not ashamed of that one bit. Here is what I actually said: I think the problem lies in the fine Biblical points of God's Sovereignty, such as, does He control the outcome of all things? I believe the Scriptures say He does clearly. I don't believe for one second that He does not control all things, even the thoughts and decisons of man, but that since He does, he grants to those whom He wills to grant salvation. You're pulling a small portion of what I said out of the big picture in an attempt to discredit all of it perhaps? I mean, that is what I take as the objective of your post. I believe He controls all things and all outcomes. Do you not believe God controls all outcomes sir? Does not Scripture show us he turns hearts to accomplish His will? I'll try to answer you. I said God is in control of everything. Yep. Everything, even you and I. Or, are you in control of everything and control the outcome of yourself? Pilate also thought he did too have control and free will. But he didn't have control of a thing. God did. Job says we can't thwart Gods purposes. Can you? Did I say He makes man think every thought (put every thought), or did you extend it out that far on your own, and add the word every? Yes. You added the word every, and also added to it that I said He "puts" them there and tried to qualify that with evil thoughts also, as if I had said God puts evil thoughts there. Then after you add to my words you indict me with "I am making God evil." Fortunately, you had to add to my words, twice, to come to that conclusion. I forgive you for that brother. Then you say my view of God is heretical, too, right, but only after you've added to my wording, correct, so you could get the outcome you desire? I thought this was unallowed on BB sir, calling one an heretic, or heretical? I am no heretic. And even though your belief differs from mine, I wouldn't say such a thing about you. Pro 21:1 The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes. - Is this not acceptable to you? Can't the Potter form the clay how HE desires? or is that just unfair? And yet if he does, do we not trust Him in it? He turns the heart wherever HE desires. So, we have Him here telling us that He controls the hearts (mind/thoughts) of Kings. Kings are a people are they not? Thus we have Him here controlling the hearts (thoughts/desires) of people. Is God not claiming that He himself controls the heart and outcome? Certainly. He's in control. I trust Him. Note He does the same thing in Ezra 6:22. And He also caused them to rejoice. Yes, caused. God certainly puts thoughts in our hearts, sir, and if we have evil thoughts, who do you think ultimately allowed those to come? God? Or did Satan usurp Him and come all on his own? (God forbid) When God gives a person up to reprobation, and they think wicked thoughts, who allowed that to happen? And this is not unjust, by the way. You see where the Scripture says God will give us the desires of our hearts? "Delight yourself in the LORD; And He will give you the desires of your heart." Psalm 37:4 Does this mean word-faith theology, that He gives us (them) whatever we (they) want, like a genie? Or, that He Himself gives us the actual desires that we do have, and makes us have those desires, which are, by the way, for our own good, because He knows best for our lives? When we pray for leadership of God, Who puts the thoughts in our hearts to control the outcome and lead us there? Isn't that God controlling our thoughts for His Glory? This by the way is How He leads His sheep. Why is it so unfathomable to you that God control our thoughts, and rule over hearts, and causes them to accomplish His will? I gave you Scripture showing He in fact does these things. If we have problems with God controlling finite mans thoughts, tell me how in the world we can trust Him to control the entire universe, and the end of the kosmos? Ever read Pilgrims Progress? No need to hit me with the cliche it's not Scripture, and I'm not saying it is, but have you ever read where Bunyan was terrorized by evil thoughts, and thought they came from his own heart? Wonder Who allowed that? He was a great Christian man. God allowed Satan to put those thoughts there. Did He not send an evil spirit to terrorize the thoughts of Saul? Was He just in doing so? I believe so. If (since) He allowed it, who was Sovereign there? Did I say God PUT them there? Nope. But that He allows Satan to do so, and then that He does so Himself, control thoughts and counsels of hearts, guess just Who is in ultimate control of everything? God is. He uses Satan and his minions to do so, so He alone is in control of that, and then He also turns hearts as He so desires to do. I ask Who then is in control then of mens thoughts? Satan, God, or man? And this free will thing. Ask Pilate if he had "free will." And if the Word says "Don't say we will go to such and such city and make great gain. Instead say, if the Lord Wills..." Why? Because HE is in control, and Sovereign, not man. And we are to recognize that. And we are to seek His will because He is in control. When they crucified Christ, they must have exercised thoughts to do so. Who allowed that Sovereignly, and if He allowed Satan to do it, who allowed that ultimately? I have answered you fairly and in love. I do ask you recant your calling me heretical. Gods Blessings.