God Controls Hearts and Thoughts as He Says in His Word

Sorry for the confusion. Post 107 was directed to P4T, not you. I am awaiting for him to answer:

I am still waiting for a response from P4T

 

Uh, this verse was from the book of Leviticus, at least 2000 years after Adam and Eve, God told Moses to speak this to the children of Israel. It was men from the children of Israel he instructed to offer a sacrifice of their own voluntary will.

I love the way you claim to have superior knowledge of scripture, I have been studying the scriptures for over 45 years, probably at least 10 years longer than you have been alive.

I believe God in his glory knows all things, but that at times God limits himself, such as when he wrestled Jacob and Jacob prevailed.

Jesus said he did not know the exact day and hour of his return, do you believe Jesus lied?

As far as God knowing men would sin, I absolutely believe God knew that. When God gave men free will he knew they would sin. That does not mean he desires or wills men to sin, only that he knew they would.

You have a young one, do you desire or will that he (she) sins? Of course not, unless there is something truly wrong with you. But do you know your child will sin? Of course.

 

Do you think P4T will ever show enough respect to answer other people's questions?

 

Answer the question, p4t. Which thoughts does God control that come to you? You said some, but not all. Which thoughts? You're the one pushing this idea, so just give me an answer. Which thoughts does God control if not all? Thanks, buddy.

 

I directly answered you, I said I believe God in his glory knows all things, but at times God limits himself. You do agree that Jesus is God don't you? And you do agree that Jesus said he did not know the exact day and hour of his return don't you? I didn't think it necessary to quote the verse, but I will show you just in case.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

What does this verse say? Did Jesus say he does not know the day and hour of his return?

And asking you about your child is perfectly relevant. Does God care for and feel a responsibility toward his own creation?

Luk 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Your concept of God is utterly unscriptural. God cares about all men, even those who reject and hate him. He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, and is not willing that any should perish. We are not "trash" that God throws into the fire, Jesus said we are of "value" to God.

And this is why I asked about your child. You love your child and want the best for him or her. You are in no way willing he or she sins, yet you know he or she has a free will and is going to sin. It is no different with God and us, he doesn't want us to sin, all his commands not to sin would be nonsense if God wills we sin. But he knows we have a free will, he knows we are flesh and easily tempted, and he knows we will sin.

This theology of yours is WAYYYYY off.

 

"If..."

p4t has already established for himself that God controls some (so there is no "if" according to p4t), but not all. I am asking him which thoughts does God control.

 

Did Jesus say he does not "know" the day and hour of his return or not?

Please answer that question.

 

My post was perfectly clear. You didn't read it carefully.
I said, If you believe___________, then it is heresy.
All you have to do is go back and clarify what you believe.
Winman agreed with my post 100%. So what should I conclude now?
Either you won't clarify your post as to heresy, or,
either you or he is one, and since he agrees with me I would tend to say that there is something desperately wrong with your theology. But you won't clarify your answers. You just leave it hanging. Is it heresy or not? You tell us.

 

Translation.
P4T is too lazy to find the original question and answer it for himself. He avoids answering the questions of others and continues to show disrespect.

 

Well, be careful what you believe. If I take you theology correctly, if that little one you are holding grows up to be a evil manipulator, that would be alright with you I guess. After all it would be what God directed to happen; how could you fight against it?

Of course, in reality, your little girl, more than likely, will grow up to be kind caring Christian who will make you proud.

 

Translation: I can't answer without reveling one of the many mistakes about theology, so I have found a convenient excuse not to answer.