This was said in the Warren prayer transcript thread in response to the idea that God allowed sin to enter into the world: That thread has been derailed enough so I thought I would start a new one. There is so much danger in this line of thinking that I do not know were to start. First of all, a God who does not ordain all things, control all things, and have a purpose for all things is not an omnipotent God. Every petal that drops from a lone flower in the most remote wilderness does so because of God. Every disaster that happens, from tidal waves to volcanos has a purpose in God´s plan for the universe. Every ruler in power including our newly installed President Obama, is put in that place of authority by the hand of God. I am thankful that God is absolutely in control of everything that happens in my life and in the world. Secondly, grace was not a reaction of God´s against sin. Grace existed before sin did since its part of the very nature of God- God is gracious. The perfect plan of salvation goes back as far as the very mind of God which goes back to eternity past itself. You can´t get your theology from laws of physics.