God Hates Sin/Sin Pleased God

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  1. plain_n_simple

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    GODS WORD: Psalm 5:4
    For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee

    From scripture we read over and over how God hates sin....yet this author says God was pleased with sin.

    MANS WORD "Our first parents, begin seduced by the subtlety and temptations of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin God was pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to his own glory."

    GODS WORDS oppose MANS WORDS

    The Father loved His son Adam. He warned Adam that one tree would bring death if he ate.

    By warning him, we know that God had hope that Adam would obey, and the salvation plan would not have to start, though God had it in His wisdom.

    We know that God believed Adam wouldn't eat, because love believes the best before any situation. And God is love.

    God hates sin and death. God did not destroy what He made in His own image to glorify His Son and Himself.

    By saying that God planned for Adam to fall, and yet warn him as if Adam had a chance, Westminster makes the Father look deceptive, manipulative.

    Westminster has God saying: I know Adam is definitely going to eat from the tree and die, so I will tell Adam, "Don't eat from that tree or you will die."

    Why would God warn Adam in vain? Good sport?

    Paul said Shall we sin in order to bring more grace?

    Did God bring death and sin so that He may glory?

    Knowing that it's not God's will to lose any, we know that it was not Gods will for Adam to fall, so He would get glory. That has no integrity or honesty in it. I thank God many will repent of this demonic mindset and see that it is void of love and good fruit.
     
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    The issue you're having is due to the grammatical construction of the WCF and other related issues.

    You quote: this their sin God was pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to his own glory.

    Does this say that Adam and Eve's sin pleased God? No, of course not.

    What does it say? Is says that God is pleased to permit the sin of Adam and Eve.

    We have argued that God "Foreordains the free and sometimes sinful actions of man to serve His purposes and display His glory."

    In no way, shape, or form have we or are we arguing that the sin of Man pleases God.

    This specific passage in the WCF is affirming the absolute sovereignty of God and the compatible free will of man. No more. No less.

    The Archangel
     
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    God bless you
     
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    God is "grieved" in Gen 6 and elsewhere. God's "lament" is that man would ever choose rebellion.

    Yet some human authors hope to make God the cause of His own lament.

    The Calvinist idea that God is the cause of His own Lament was explained on this thread.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=90797

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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  5. plain_n_simple

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    Thank you Bob
     

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