God is a Spirit

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  1. Preacher Ron

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    The bible tells us that God is a spirit, I have heard people say that God does not have a body.

    If God does not have a body, then how did John see him in the book of Rev. when he said I saw one setting on the throne?

    We know that it was God the father that was setting there, and the lamb was Jesus.

    I believe that he does have a body, what do you all think?

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    Hello Ron,
    I assume that you got that about God being "A" spirit from John 4:24. Actually there is no article in the Greek. It should not read "A" Spirit, but just Spirit. Actually it just says "God Spirit" and nothing else in the Greek. I do not believe that the Lord is trying to define the makup of God, but rather give some way to relate to His being and that is that He is Spirit, period, not a spirit as of many, but as all encompassing.

    As to the passage in Rev it is speaking of Jesus. He saw Jesus. Jesus is God. However in the makeup of the trinity, Father God has no body as we define bodies, He is Spirit.
     
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    PR,

    From what you're saying, it seems that you believe John was physically transported to heaven to observe with his physical eyes the things recorded in Revelation. Then he returned to earth to record them. I don't think that view works. John "saw" these things as they were revealed to Him by God's Spirit.

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    Ron: I try to tread lightly on this because of Romans 1:23a: "and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man..."

    Tim: In Revelation 4:1 John was given the command to, "Come up here," which, to me, would make no sense if he did not go up there, but saw everything while on Patmos. We cannot say dogmatically that he was physically taken there, but rather bodily, or in spirit (when it happened to Paul, he couldn't tell) he was taken there.
    Also, there is the one passage in Revelation that indicates that John recorded it down not unlike that of a reporter:
    "Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write..." Rev. 10:4a
     
  5. Preacher Ron

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    Revelation 5

    1. And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
    2. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
    3. And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
    4. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
    5. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
    6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
    7. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.


    IF it was Jesus setting on the throne, they would not have had to look for someone to open the book, and to loose the seals, the Lamb in Vs. 6 was Jesus, and the one that sat on the throne in Vs. 1 was God.

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    Personally, I have found it wise not to try to tell God what He may or may not do, whether it be a situation of life and death, or showing Himself to an apostle.

    God is Spirit is Jesus Christ is God. Clear enough?

    John wrote what he saw. I will not question it. I believe that he was taken up by God into heaven and shown these things.

    In Christ,
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    Revelation 5

    1. And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
    2. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
    3. And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
    4. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
    5. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
    6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
    7. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.


    IF it was Jesus setting on the throne, they would not have had to look for someone to open the book, and to loose the seals, the Lamb in Vs. 6 was Jesus, and the one that sat on the throne in Vs. 1 was God.

    Preacher Ron
    </font>[/QUOTE]Ron,
    I agree that it was God, but it was Jesus. If you had made a different distinction fpr who was seen such as the "Father: verses the "Son" then I would have replied differently. But when dealing with the term/person God then what was seen was Jesus/God. The passage says that in the "midst" of the throne stood a Lamb. I just think that He stood up and could then be seen as the Lamb of God. God takes on many titles and looks when scripture is looked at closely. So I would still hold that this was Jesus/God all the time.
     
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    Let me ask my question, in another way, do you believe that God has a spiritual body, that we will be abel to see when we get to heaven?

    Preacher Ron
     

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