God will judge you for ...?

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I have heard people say things like, "God will judge him for what he has done" and "You will give an accounting to God for _________".

    I think I understand what this judgment looks like for a non-Christian...eternal damnation in Hell. But what about for the saved? Is there solid Scriptural support for God judging the saved after they have passed from this life and if so, what does this look like?

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    It means there won't be any stars in our crowns. I used to sing about it almost every week. I can't give you chapter and verse, though. Sorry.

    I now tend to believe Jude 24-25 instead.
     
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    Well, in the book of Revelation we see people being judged according to the things they had done written in the books...this is something I have awondered about as well.

    I remember growing up being told that (and songs teaching that) everyone will see all the good and bad deeds done in a person's life, kinda like a movie. Well, surely that cant be the case. I dont think they will be showing porn in Heaven, lol.
     
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    Yes, there are rewards to be given to the saints.

    The Incorruptible Crown 1 Corinthians 9:25
    The Crown Of Righteousness 2 Timothy 4:8
    The Crown Of Life James 1:12

    etc...

    Here is Jesus saying this also, "Mt 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward. "

    Here is another Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
     
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    Joseph;
    You pose a very good question.
    Though this is likely to 'resurrect' (ha ha) the hornets' nest once again, your question is about a Christian's accountability to God as a Child of God.
    In raising the question, we inevitably raise dozens of others.
    I'll not go into them, but I will ,in as simple of terms as I can, answer your current question.
    'What does judgment for the Christian look like?'

    What it is NOT is the charicature of the "Awards Ceremony" which some have already mentioned.

    I believe your question, (correct me please) has more to do with judgment than 'rewards".

    So here we go;
    A. We know that each of us must give account of himself to God.

    Ro 14:10
    But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
    Ro 14:11
    For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
    Ro 14:12
    So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

    B. It is NOT just an awards ceremony.

    2Co 5:9
    Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
    2Co 5:10
    For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    C. It is NOT for the unsaved.

    2Co 5:11
    Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

    D. Paul labored that he might 'pass the test' as it were.

    Php 3:7
    But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
    Php 3:8
    Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
    Php 3:9
    ¶ And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
    Php 3:10
    That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
    Php 3:11
    If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
    Php 3:12
    Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
    Php 3:13
    Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
    Php 3:14
    I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

    He ain't talking about salvation. He's talking about the fact the he too must give account one day.

    There are dozens if not even scores or hundreds of Scriptures TO THE CHRISTIAN warning us to take heed unto ourselves and our walk with Christ BECAUSE we must give account one day.

    Now some 'bonehead' is going to come along and say that our sins are covered at the Cross, yet...here we have CLEAR Scripture telling us we MUST face God and give account for our lives, whether our actions be good OR bad. And that begs the question; if bad actions are NOT sin, then WHAT are they? If our sins are ALL covered (past, present and future), then why is the following in the Bible addressed to Christians?

    1Jo 1:9
    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    Joseph; I realize that this doctrine is repulsive to the "soft" Christians of todays church. It has cost me a great deal because I preach it and believe it. Yet, it is plain as the screen in front of my/your face.

    There IS a judgment for the lost, but that does not mean we get a free ride. In fact, we have the GREATER RESPONSIBILITY than they, for we have been given an unspeakable gift, we dare not cheapen it by presuming that God's standard of Holiness does not apply to us after we are saved.
     
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    Jim,

    You have represented my question well. You raise many good points. What does judgment for a Christian look like? Does the Scripture give any specifics about what God might do to us? I know what God is going to do to the lost, but it seems kind of vague for Christians as to what their judgment will be.

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    Joseph

    Bema seat?

    James Newman, et., al. probably have some ideas.

    I never have been able to connect all of them dots.

    Wayne

     
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    I admit that it can be vague at times. Like most doctrines in Scripture, one must "connect the dots" to get a clear picture.
    I can tell you that there are some who believe it to be banishment from the coming Milleniel Kingdom of Christ, or the privilege of reigning with Him during that period depending upon how one 'passes examination' at the Judgment Seat. I am one of those who believe such to be the case. The details then become less than concrete. Some say this banishment is suffering "with the unbelievers" for 1000 years, others think God has a particular place just for His children who fail the test. I don't really know for sure. There are good arguments for both. And yet, Scripture IS clear on this one thing.
    We WILL receive according to what we have done in the body. If we have done well, then we receive a crown, but if we have done badly, we receive bad. I personally lean to this picture Jesus gave us.

    Mt 24:45
    Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
    Mt 24:46
    Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
    Mt 24:47
    Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
    Mt 24:48
    But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
    Mt 24:49
    And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
    Mt 24:50
    The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
    Mt 24:51
    And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    I tend to think the 'weeping and gnashing of teeth' is not so much WHERE this poor servant is but rather WHAT he is doing during his judgment. Notice the colon between 'hypocrites' and 'there' ? Two different thoughts here. The colon is used to direct attention to the actions of the wicked servant. It is not, IMO, Jesus denoting a particular place. But that is just my interpretation in this verse.

    Here's another.

    In Matt 25:14-30, Jesus gives another picture of the Judgment just before the Kingdom is established on earth.

    Note;
    Mt 25:21
    His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

    We LOVE to preach this one to encourage folks to serve God, yet we IGNORE the following in the SAME context;

    Mt 25:30
    And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Or if we do not ignore it we try to get by with saying that THIS servant was never saved in the first place, but that begs the question...

    What is Jesus doing giving a gift to the lost?

    Mt 25:14
    ¶ For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

    Since when are the lost "His own" ?

    One can do a bit of study about that phrase 'outer darkness' if he so chooses.

    Some think it is hell. Others think it is a special prison apart from hell. Still others, (like me) haven't come to a solid conviction about it yet. However, Jesus is clear. Though He uses a parable to describe this judgment, we must remember that His parables all teach a LITERAL truth.

    I am tired, bro. More later.
     
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    I guess I will have to be the first bone head because my sins, past, present and future were covered at the cross. I do agree, I have no righteousness except that of the son who imputed his righteousness to me.

    Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    I see you are still under the law and are working for your salvation. That would be the only reason to "judge" right? Salvation since there is no award ceremony. Or are you saying we will give an account but still remain in heaven? Just in the ghetto or something?

    Man can't do enough good to make it to the kingdom. If we could, then Jesus died in vain.

    Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
    7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
    8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
    9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


    We don't live our best or love our fellowman to be saved or from fear of judgement, we love our fellowman because we are saved. A child of God whose heart has been transformed by the renewing of our minds that we may prove what is good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    So yes, we'll give an account. We'll say we know the son and that our names are written in the book of life.
     
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    Thank you for proving my points. You IGNORED the Scriptures I posted, just like I said some folks do.
     
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    Christ died for the lost and gave the lost the greatest gift, eternal life. If you have the correct take on these verses, then Jn 3:16 is wrong. So it Rom 10:9 because they say if we believe we shall have eternal life. Doesn't say believe and live right. Doesn't say believe and do good instead of bad for there will be an account to give. The Bible says believe.
     
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    No, I read your entire post but I believe you are taking scripture out of context. You did not read my post or you would have noticed I did address yours.
     
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    You are confused.
    Nobody said anything about EARNING salvation. We are talking about judgment for the Christian. Duh.

    Ever heard of an unsaved 'Christain"? No.

    "As many as received Him, gave He power to become the sons of God."
    Nobody who is still lost has received Him; therefore they do NOT have any kind of gift yet.

    The verse SAYS He gave...to his OWN servants. The lost are NOT His own.

    No. You did not address the scriptures I posted. You danced around them.
     
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    Then what will we be judged for? You said not for salvation, correct? If our account is unacceptable, what punishment will we get?
     
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    As was pointed out earlier, a hornet's nest has been resurrected.

    Several say that the Christian who does not work will spend 1000 years in hell. That is unscriptural. Cannot be backed up with Scripture without twisting the Scripture.

    Some say that the Christian who does not work will spend 1000 years in outer darkness; that outer darkness is some sort of corner of heaven where light cannot enter. That too, is hogwash. No Scriptural support. Jesus is the Light that lights all of heaven, not part of it.

    Some say the Christian who will not work will hear the Words 'Depart from me, I never knew you'. This again is poppycock!' Christ will never tell one who is saved 'I never knew you.'

    Bottom line? The Child of God has been saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone. He has clothed this Child in His Righteousness and this Child cannot lose standing in the Kingdom without making Christ a liar; for Christ said, 'He that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out'.

    Might I add that Salvation is defined in the Bible as being snatched or saved from danger or destruction. If one is cast into hell, that one has not been saved from danger as the Word Salvation describes. The Child of God will never see Hell.
     
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    AMEN Brother Diggin PREACH IT HARD~!!!
     
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    I agree, just another bone head on their way to the kingdom... :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    Twisting scripture means applying it to believers, right? All the good promises are for us, but all the bad promises are for the Jews. Is that rightly dividing the word? One only has to realize that the judgment seat of Christ is only for believers, and things start to fall into place. What believer is going to be standing next to an unbeliever at the judgment seat of Christ? If Christ tells one person 'well done' and then calls the next person a wicked servant, well, they were both there at the same judgment...
     
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    James,

    Don't you know that the Holy Spirit was incapable of communicated clearly and articulately, and that plural really means singular, and that these people being judged at the same judgment are really two different judgments, and that we have no obligation to be obedient other than getting a warm fuzzy feeling? I mean, after all, we're all treated exactly the same, no matter how we act!

    (I got this directly from the Gospel According to Diggin, BTW, where you can also find out that if we don't have good works, then we're not really saved.)
     
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    Quite the contrary, hog...

    There is no gospel according to Diggin. I receive my revelation from the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. Try it some time.

    And again, I have never said one is saved by works.
     
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