Godlical Christians and Biblical Christians of today

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  1. longhino

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    1. Godlical Christians are those who hear, learn, and follow things of God (Godhood, salvation and eternal life, spiritual needs, commandments of God, etc.)from God Himself (The Lord Jesus Christ in the realm of His existence) through and by His own means of communication with them.

    2. Biblical Christians are those who hear, learn, and follow things of God (Godhood, salvation and eternal life, spiritual needs, commandments of God, etc.)by and through what they read and understand from the passages of the bible/scriptures thinking that the HS guides them in it.
     
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    Is there a question you are asking?
     
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    Godlical? Really Does he just make stuff up as he goes along?
     
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    None, anybody can just share his/her thoughts for an open discussion.
     
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    I guess s question I would ask is why would God speak audibly to just a handfull of people today and most of them are on TBN?
     
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    If the Lord God Jesus Christ is our/your Teacher and Good Pastor, we/you will be properly guided by Him in peace and tranquility and we/you will have a genuine peace of mind and a great foundation and fortress of reasoning which could not be moved or captured by anyone, even Satan and his devil.
     
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    Agreed!:applause:
     
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    Can you count 6 billion people in a day? If not, you may be mistaken to say "a handful of people" since the globe is too big for us to reach instantly. As far as I remembered from what God has taught us, it is very few among the poeple who come and call on in Him in the right way, most people are trapped and hampered by their own understanding, the bible, religious denominations/churches, etc. They call on to God but to the limit of what they understand from what they read in the bible/scirptures of any kind of religion. The art of waiting for God to literally respond to their call is not on their master list hence God is blocked by those things in reaching up to them.

    Btw, who among the TBN people were spoken by God audibly, how do you know He is really the Lord God, can you please elaborate further?
     
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    The problem with your view is that it is totally subjective. Indeed, your view makes the scripture and scripture interpretation totally subjective and thus is kin to the basic tenets of early Gnosticism and its distinctions between the spiritual, soulical and fleshly humanity. Of course only the "spiritual" (as subjectively defined by gnosticism) were capable of really understanding the scriptures and interpreting them correctly.

    So it is with your view of Christianity. You and you ilk have subjectively defined who among Christianity are "spiritual" and thus able to understand truth.

    However, the Bible is an objectively based revelation and even challenges the reader to "prove all things" and to "test" those who claim to have prophetic insights and to "rightly divide" the word of Truth. There are objective tests given to try those who claim superior insights into Biblical truth and revelation.

    The very tenets of your claim, your approach, your classifications prove you are among those the Bible objectively identifies as teachers of error and condemns.
     
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    "Godlical"?

    Really?
     
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    I heard that Godlical care is good for your nails. Wait...hmmm... no... maybe it was cuticle. Though I haven't seen that specifically pointed out in scriptures.
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about? You say 6 billion people hear God daily but only a few call on Him in the right way?
     
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    How can you see it specifically pointed out in scriptures when you can only see it in and from God alone in the realm of His existence? Don't forget the the scriptures are not the Almighty Lord God of all and in all ages.
     
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    I mean that there 6 billion people today and from that so enourmous number of people, how can we know if only a handful are being spoken to by God? From that 6 billion, there are those who do not believe there is God but vast majority believe there is God say Jesus Christ to the Godlical and that of Biblical Christians, Allah to the Muslims, Bhuddha to the Bhuddhist, Sun to trival people, Maitreya to others, etc. However, no one knows the exact number of those who are truly spoken to by God at this moment, maybe more or maybe few and so on.
     
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    Is it so subjective in your perception just because I said God spoke to us?

    Indeed, interpretation of scriptures must be totally subjective so that no one may commit sin against God by making his own interpretation doctrines/teaching for others to obey and follow in their lives. If we want the true interpretation of biblical passages, we have to come to the Lord God Jesus Christ in the realm of His existence and ask the Lord to give us the right meaning of those passages we want to be clarified. If interpretation will not be subjective, the result is various establishment of religious groups and denominations.

    There is no such thing in the Godlical Christianity since only the Lord Jesus Christ is the One who has the right understanding and interpretation of things in the scirptures and of all things. Individual interpreation is purely subjective and should only be confined to their own mind, and doctrines and teachings must only come from the Lord Jesus Christ alone.

    Kindly backread and see for yourself if I did say whose Christianity is "spiritual" and able to understand truth, I don't remember saying anything about it.

    If that is true, why do we have various groups of religious denomination today using the same very basis in the bible to prove their genuineness, are they all true though they are not united?

    FYI, I am not telling you to be a member of any church today. All you have to do is to come to Jesus today in the realm of His existence and learn from Him how you will be saved. Jesus is the One who will put you inside His sheep's pen so that you will be under the Lord Jesus' tutelage and when that happens, you are one among the Godlical Christians. The bible must points you only to Jesus, it is not intended for teachings and doctrines of your salvation and that of my salvation and other's salvation. Jesus is the One who will teach those things to us should we come to Him in the right way.
     
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    Yes, it is, anything wrong you find in it?
     
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    You can say you have been to mars and spoke to Marsians. You can say just about anything but that does not make it true does it?


    Paul disagrees with you! He told Timothy to "Study to shew himself a workman unto God rightly dividing the word of truth"! Why didn't he tell Timothy your supposed insight to really understand God's Word?????? I guess Paul was just not as spiritual as you, huh??


    And just who is it that determines that? Who is it that can discern one person is "Godical" and another is not? You???


    You are saying that by every phrase you have said thus far.



    It is one thing to know how to "rightly divide the word of Truth" and quite another thing to do it.



    I really don't think you are qualified to tell anyone anything about the Bible, salvation or any other Biblical topic.



    That is not what the Bible says! Are you more spiritual and authoritative than God's own Word???? The Bible simply says repent and believe the gospel and you shall be saved. The Bible spells out what the gospel is and is not.

    Why are you replacing God's Word with "the realm of His existence"? Where in the Bible does God say one must come "in the realm of his existence" to learn His Word about salvation??????

    Here is what the Bible says about folks like you:

    "If they speak not according to this word it is because there is no truth IN THEM" - Isa. 8:20b




    What authority do you have to even call anyone "The Godical" Christian? Your imagination?




    Paul makes you out to be a liar because he claims the scriptures were given for that very purpose, the very purpose you deny the scriptures serve:

    2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    You are just another deceiver taken in by just another anti-Christian cult.
     
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    But personal experience to Jesus today is true whether you agree or disagree, you cannot discount what you have not witnessed transpired.

    Why would I bother myself with Paul’s letter when Jesus himself says in Matthew 11 “come to me all of you……., learn from me………,” who is your Lord, btw?

    No, it is not me who determines whether one person is Godlical and another is not, but it is only the Lord Jesus who does that, He is the Good Shepherd of all.

    So, now it is clear that you are just interpreting the things I am saying here. But if we will put what I’m saying into one sentence, it will come out as “come and call on to Jesus in the realm of His existence, learn and get the truth, salvation, and eternal life from Him.” You can discard all the rest except that one.

    Who now has the right know how to “rightly divide……” among you?

    No one is really qualified to teach the bible to anyone, it is only the Lord Jesus who is in authority to do that. What we are only task to do is to share our experience we got from the Lord and to tell to all to come to the Lord Jesus in the realm of His existence so that salvation and eternal life maybe attain by those who will seek and come to Him in the right way.

    IN the first place, the bible is not the one who saves, it is the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus today urges all to come to Him for us to be saved and have eternal life. The Lord says today:

    Keep in your mind that the everlasting life and your salvation are in my hands. If you want to be saved, come and get nigh with Me. If you want eternal life, come and call on to Me. Put your trust in Me because if you fail to do this thing, you have no salvation and eternal life. You have nowhere to go except tragedy and tribulation.

    On the other hand, the bible bears record to these passages that say:

    Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
    Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
    Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
    Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.


    That is just to distinguish the difference between coming to Jesus by and through the bible vis a vis coming to Jesus by how He truly exists and lives in His own way of living (realm of His existence).

    Here is what the Lord God is saying today to all; He says:

    All of you who have ears, do listen. I Am your Lord God, to whom will you be afraid of? I, as the Almighty One, to whom will you be frightened with? Keep in your mind that if I Am the One beside you, you have nothing to fear of, you have nothing to worry about because I Am the One to get you out of any tragedy should you put your trust in Me and if you will treat Me as your salvation and eternal life. Being your Lord that you will only worship and nothing more, the only One God who is existing in the whole of the heaven, the whole of the earth, and the whole of the universe either. I who created all things, I who give life to you, to whom will you come with? If not to Me you have no other to come with.

    Keep in your mind that the everlasting life and your salvation are in my hands. If you want to be saved, come and get nigh with Me. If you want eternal life, come and call on to Me. Put your trust in Me because if you fail to do this thing, you have no salvation and eternal life. You have nowhere to go except tragedy and tribulation. Because if you will get nigh with Me, you will attain nothing more, but peace, peace that you will attain if you will put your trust in Me, if you will trust Me with all your heart and with all your love. You will love Me with all your love and you will worship no other, but only Me, I your only One Lord.


    My statement is based on this premise;

    All you have to do is to come to Jesus today in the realm of His existence and learn from Him how you will be saved. Jesus is the One who will put you inside His sheep's pen so that you will be under the Lord Jesus' tutelage and when that happens, you are one among the Godlical Christians.

    I learned that from Jesus hence Jesus himself is the One who will tell you that sooner or later.

    You should have carefully weigh what Jesus was saying vis a vis what Paul was saying on the other hand. Jesus said about the scriptures;

    Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
    Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

    Scriptures/bible are testimonies to Jesus and everlasting life is not found in it simply because same (everlasting life) is in Jesus and if we want everlasting life, we have to come to Jesus. In light of what Jesus said in those verses, who now is your Lord to follow, Paul or Jesus?
     
  19. The Biblicist

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    I don't have to be a personal witness to murder to know it is wrong because God's Word says it is wrong. I don't have to be a personal witness to what you say is truth because the Word of God repudiates what you are saying.



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    Why would you bother with the Word of God at all since it is obvious you deny it is God's Word, you deny it is inspired by God as you pit Jesus against Paul and thus make the Holy Spirit the Author of confusion!


    Who says Jesus does? You?


    No thanks, I will discard that as well as it is obvious you are talking about "another Jesus" (2 Cor. 11:4) who is a false god. The real Jesus NEVER contradicted the Scriptures as YOUR JESUS does.


    Everyone has that right but that does not mean everyone will do it.


    That is what your false Jesus tells you but that is not what the Jesus in God's Word says (Mt. 28:20).



    Your false witness comes from a false Jesus that is not the Jesus the Scriptures speak about but "another Jesus" (2 Cor. 11:4) that teaches "another gospel".



    No one ever said the Bible saves us! What Paul said was the Bible was able to lead its readers to salvation by presenting the true gospel of salvation.

    No, he does not. This is your FALSE god speaking. Your false Jesus has no power to save. The True Jesus NEVER speaks contrary to the Scriptures but your false Jesus leads you to pit some scriptures against other scriptures and then deny that the scriptues are what they claim to be - The Word of God.

    Here is what the scriptures say about people like you:

    Isa. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



    Your false Jesus is merely picking scripture that pleases him while rejecting scritpures that don't please him which proves he is "another Jesus" as the same Jesus in Scripture said, "The scriptures cannot be broken" - Jn 10:31.


    Another proof that you follow and are led by "another Jesus" than the Jesus of Scripture because the Jesus of Scripture said:

    Jn. 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;


    1 Jn. 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
    6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error
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    John was with Christ and heard his prayer and thus claimed that God was inspiring their written words. Peter heard that prayer of Chrsit and Peter claimed that Paul's writings were "scriptures" equal to the Old Testament scriptures (2 Pet. 3:15-17). Paul claimed that his writings were the Word of God (2 Thes. 2:15).


    No, the God of the Bible never said these words to you or anyone else. Your false god and false Jesus said these things as you are led by "another spirit" than the Spirit of God. How can I know? Because the whole context of your foolishness contradicts the Jesus of the Bible and opposes the Scriptures which the Jesus of the Bible recognized as God's Word.


    No, you learned it from the Devil. Jesus never contradicts His own words and the Jesus of the Bible never contradicted the scriptures as your Jesus and your god does.



    More evidence you follow "another Jesus" as the Jesus of the Bible appeared unto Paul and called him to His ministry and inspired what he wrote (Acts 26:15-17; Gal. 1:15-17; 2 Tim. 3:16-17) and you are making the Christ of the Bible contradict Himself and that is proof positive you follow "another Jesus" and are being led by "another spirit" - 1 Jn. 4:1,6


    More proof that your "god" is not the God of the Scriptures as you pit Jesus against Paul when Jesus called and inspired Paul in his writings. Paul speaks of YOUR JESUS as "another Jesus" 2 Cor. 11:4.

    You are just another self-deluded charlatan creating another cult selling "another Jesus" and being led by "another spirit" preaching "another gospel" - 2 Cor. 11:4
     
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    Bib - I'm afraid you're right. What I'm reading here is heresy, clear and simple. It is a scary thing to be preaching another Gospel. :(
     
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