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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by donnA, Oct 12, 2001.
Who is considered God's children?
Believers, or everyone?
And why do you think so?
You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
"Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
They will say of me, `In the LORD alone are righteousness and strength.'" All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame.
I won't post in here any more. I just figured I'd give the reason for what I said.
[ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: Tuor ]
Tuor? Katie? Do I need to bring the little huggie smilie in here?
None of us are God's children until we are saved and adopted into the family. (Romans 8:15 KJV mentions the Spirit of adoption.)
Until then we are of our father, the devil.
I lied, one last post.
After reading my last post, I realize that I did not explain why I wasn't going to post anymore. This reason is that I do not claim the title of Baptist, therefore I was asked to not post outside the 'free for all forums'. I ventured outside to rebuff some non-Christian posts.
Next time in the Free For All forums stop by and say hi!
Besides Gina, I think Katie would prefer pink roses!
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John 1:12-13 give you your answer:
Yet to all who receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to BECOME children of God -- children nborn not of natural descent, not ofhuman decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
"Born of God" is the same as Jesus' reference to "born again," in John 3.
Until that time, we are His creations, but NOT His children.
I totally agree with Gina and Helen.
We have to be born again to be children of God.
Do all infants go to hell?
(After studing I believe no- but I want to hear what ya'll have to say)
Until Next Post, Adam
If they do load up the HELLBOUND EXPRESS... All aboard... You too Adam... Brother Glen
No babies in either heaven or hell. The spirit form is not in an age like our minds, and our "vision" (understanding) will be clear. So in the emotional sense that people use when they ask that question, that's the answer.
And perhaps, in that form, yes, those people all do go to heaven.
However, there are things we just don't have the capacity to understand right now. God is in control.
And here's an unBaptist thought just to throw everyone. Perhaps the ones who haven't reached an age of accountability get to come back and be reborn. Now if you're going to run and throw out the verse "it is appointed unto man ONCE to die" to combat that thought, finish it out and add "and after this the judgement." Can't be judged if they aren't responsible.
Babies, pre-born who are killed or never born alive, profoundly retarded -- all of these are never separated from the Lord in the first place, so they will be in heaven (are, in many cases).
Paul dealt with this in Romans 7:7-11. Without the law, he tells us, sin is dead. That does not mean sin natures are not there from the beginning, but it does mean that sin cannot kill the person spiritually -- it has no power. It is not until we know the law and consciously rebel that we can be held accountable and that we are separated from God, or die spiritually. So does that mean that these baby sinners go to heaven?
Remember the Old Testament sacrifices? There was the blood sacrifice for the unintentional and/or unknown sin. In Hebrews we are told that Christ is ONE sacrifice for ALL. That means the little ones and those too retarded to be able to deal with the concept of law are also safe in Christ, as His sacrifice was for them, too.
If you check 2 Peter 3, you will find that God is not willing that one should perish. So He is certainly not going to condemn the little ones who have no choices in their lives!
Gotta love playing "devil's advocate". I do. Now I'm on your side- but I need you to be clearer on some things- because I don't understand some of what you are saying and don't really understand the whole infant/heaven/hell thing too well:
"Perhaps the ones who haven't reached an age of accountability get to come back and be reborn"
Please say you aren't serious??
"Babies, pre-born who are killed or never born alive, profoundly retarded -- all of these are never separated from the Lord in the first place, so they will be in heaven (are, in many cases)."
What about where it says that none is righteous? Doesn't this include infants and those who are as you put it "profoundly retarted?" Aren't we born with a sin nature?
Of course God does not want anyone to perish, yet how does he let someone with sin in them (if we all have a sin nature and have not been cleansed by Christ) come into heaven. Such as infants?
Until Next Post, Adam