God's Judgement

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  1. Lorelei

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    Whenever a tragedy occurs, whether it is caused by nature or by man, there always seems to be a cry from someone that this was caused by the "judgement" of God. Many claimed the sins of our nation were judged when God allowed the terrorists to attack the WTC. Hurricanes, earthquakes, and other such "natural disasters" that cause massive destruction are sometimes blamed upon the sins of those who suffered through it's destruction.

    My question is, how do we know the difference between an event caused by God's judgement and an event that happened simply because evil men do evil things and we live in an evil world? Are natural disasters always God's reprimand, or is nature just nature and it will do what is natural, no matter how righteous those who live within it's boundaries are?

    We have examples of judgement in the Bible. What can we determine from those examples set before us?

    Are those judgements "examples" of what God will do to each and every nation if they repeat the mistakes of those who were judged?

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    Is the only reason we know that those disasters were "judgements" is because God declared it to be so. If a judgement is to take place on a nation, city or town, does God always let you know when that disaster is from His own hand?

    We know which disasters were God's judgement in the past and we are told of future judgements that God has yet to unleash upon the world. Are there other "judgements" that God did not tell us about?

    I would appreciate your thoughts on this. From scripture what conclusion do you draw?

    ~Lorelei
     
  2. donnA

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    Thats very good Lorelei, I'd like to know too.
     
  3. amixedupmom

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    I can only give you my opinion.
    I don't think any of those events are from God.

    I think that our abuse of this planet leads to dmaging weather(or at least helps). Remember the Rainbow was God's covant to us. We will destroy ourselves before he will.

    I Think that the WTC bombings the Isrealie bombings, even Oklahoma city bombings happened because of the foolishness of some men who think they can stand in God's place and judge us. It's not judgement from God. It's from people who THINK they are him, or think they have his home number in thier back pocket.

    I hope this has helped you.
     
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    I forgot one thing. Personal Disasters, They are nor more judgements from God, than Hurricane's.

    Please don't blame OUR LORD for the rotten things. He brings miracles from the devil's deeds, he Also brings miracles from them as well.
     
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    Ps 105:7
    He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.

    Dan 4:17
    This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

    Heb 1:3
    Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    Rev 19:6
    And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

    How about scripture instead of emotions?

    Thanks -----Bart "The dueling society was a polite society".
     
  6. donnA

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    God allowed what happened to Job.
    God allowed a lot to happen to the apostles.
    God caused the first rain to destroy the world.
     
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    Luke 13:1
    There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
     
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    Hebrews 12
    5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. 12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
     
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    If God's judgment only occurs through bad events then I guess one could say that the most spiritual people are on the west coast now because they don't have hurricanes and tornados.
     
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    Philipians 1
    29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

    Romans 8
    28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
     
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    Why? One word... SIN .

    When sin entered the world, all of creation was affected. Death took reign over all, and the world started to decay. The things that are happening are not happening because God decided to "whoop up" on some sinners (were that the case, we're all "whooped"). The things that are happening are the ever-increasing ripples that sin caused when it broke the surface of the pool of creation.

    To try to pin it on God is foolish. And to try to say that the devil is behind it is to give him too much credit (unless he personally took control of the one responsible). We are living, and suffering, through the reprecussons of the fatal choice made by Adam and Eve.

    Question- Did God know that Adam and Eve would fall?

    Answer- Yes. But He allowed them to anyway. He loves us so much that He won't force Himself on us, nor did He force Himself on our original parents. Without Adam and Eve, there would be no glory and honor to give back to Him. Oh, the angels do it, but when we do it, it means so much more to Him...because we do it as a free choice. And any father knows that when your child comes up to you just to say "I love you," there is nothing you wouldn't do for them, including dying for them. And that is just what Jesus did.

    In Christ,
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    John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

    Not all bad things are judgements.
     
  13. Lorelei

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    Of which the Jews clearly knew about and were supposed to remember them, for God had pronounced his judgements to them.

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    Luke 13:1-5 is an excellent passage! Some people "suffered" some tragedies and yet they were not "worse" sinners than everyone else. Some things just happen.

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    I do not believe that chastening is the same thing as "judgement." Are there any specific examples from scripture as to exactly how the chastening (discpline) was done?

    I believe that the healing of the blind man and the verses mentioned in Luke prove that not all events were caused because of what man has done, whether for judgement or discplinary purposes.

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    A couple of people that I have asked this question to have mentioned that when God's judgement was unleashed, the focus of his judgement was completely destoryed. Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon and Jerusalem were examples given. They did not merely lose an icon of their country, they lost everything.

    Which brought up this verse:

    Can you think of any scriptural judgements that took place without a warning or God allowing a chance for repentance first?

    The world that rejects Christ will be judged and the warnings and judgements about that are clearly laid out in the scriptures.

    ~Lorelei
     

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