God's knowledge debate

Not so.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God actually became man. Jesus was truly a man just like us except he never sinned. To deny Jesus came in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Be careful here. Jesus didn't simply not use his abilities. He was made flesh. He got tired, he hungered, he was tempted in all points as we are without sin.

 

Perfect example of folks simply dismissing scripture because it does not agree with their presuppositions.

This was explained. No man has seen God in his glory, because he would die. I already explained this from Exodus 33:20.

 

Simmer down.

jbh28 never once alluded to nor claimed that Jesus never came in the flesh, nor is he "the spirit of antichrist".

How do you conclude these illogical absurdities?

This is never ending what you resort to, adding and misrepping others in things they have never said nor implied even once. I take it you're losing again, thus these tactics.

Get off your rabbit tail and get to the facts winman.

Then you hunt out passages on your false assumptions? They prove nothing.

Strawman.

 

Moses never saw God's face. If so, he would have died.

More error on your part.

Why? Because you proof-text and misinterpet.

The whole counsel of God on this proves you to be in error. Again

No man has ever seen God. Including Moses. It's also in John chapter 1. This means you, are yet again, incorrect.

 

I didn't deny that. Jesus was still fully God. All God, All Man...so yes so.

Look stop arguing with me every time I speak. You said you didn't understand so I'm trying to help you understand.

And he was fully God. So yes, he limited and not used his abilities. Jesus could heal the sick,something that man cannot do. Jesus was hungry, something man can do. He was fully God and fully man.

Still my point stands, his limits are his not using. It's NOT that he doesn't possess the power. That would deny deity from God and Jesus.

 

To assert that there is something that has happened, is happening or will happen that God does not know about is [snip - inflammatory language].

 

You are in error. The scriptures say Moses spoke to God "face to face" as a man speaks to his friend.

Exo 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Jacob also saw God's face. Are you telling me you can wrestle with someone all night long and not see their face?

Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Jacob said, "for I have SEEN God face to face"

Like Moses, Jacob saw God in a limited form, he did not see God in his glory.

 

Jesus is God, so plenty of people have seen God. No one has seen the Father. John 1:18.

 

You only know what the Bible says, but you don't know what it means, thus your many many many errors winman. You don't know how to interpret Scripture with Scripture. You use a dangerous proof-text methodology.

There is no more reason for me to attempt to help you with your errors.

You are calling John 1:18, 1 John 4:12, and 1 Timothy 6:16 [snip - inflammatory] passages in order to hold to your view. Which is why I say you know what the Bible says, not what it means, nor can you interpret Scripture with Scripture.

 

I can read. You don't have to attend a seminary to understand Jacob when he said "for I have SEEN God face to face and my life is preserved".

Abraham also saw God.

Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Look at the words used, APPEARED, LIFT UP HIS EYES AND LOOKED, AND WHEN HE SAW THEM.

You have to twist a lot of scripture here to say Abraham did not literally see God.

You simply do not understand that men saw God in a limited form, not in his glory.

You find yourself arguing against God's word, not I.

 

Wow. God said no one could see Him face to face and live. (dogma)

Yet, Jacob said he saw Him face to face. (subjective) Merely record of Jacobs assessment. God's "Word?" Yep. But you need to think here on what is meant, as it cannot contradict God.

Now, I wonder who is correct? God or Jacob?

Or, is there a complete misunderstanding of what Jacob said, and meant? Yep.

I vote for the latter.

When a dogmatic truth seems to be blurred by another passage, the dogma still stands, and our understanding of the obscure passage is in error, i.e. one knows what it says, but not what it means.

 

Again, you know what the Bible says, not what it means.

 

Not according to the Lord Jesus.
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

 

So Jesus wasn't fully God?

 

The mystery of God is great and no matter how I answer this I most likely will be wrong, but I will answer with what limited understanding I do have.
There is no such thing as fully or partially being God. He either was or was not. I believe He was and is God and I do not hold that He had to have all the abilities of the Father to be God while here in the flesh. He was no less God then when He was with the Father. He simply gave up, for the time in the flesh, His power and totally relied on the Father to show him and lead Him as He needed.

 

per the Bible...

Jesus ALWAYS was God, added also a sinless Human nature
Lived out in power of the HS relying on His Father to enable Him to stay without sin.... just as we are to today...
What he limited was use of His divine attributes, NOT no longer had them!

Like us, being in Human flesh, NOT exactly like us, as He had both a Divine and a sinless human nature within Him!

 

Well..

Bible CLEARLY states that NO MAN has ever seen God in His fullness, except that the Son of God came to earth to reveal Him unto us...

Moses saw God in sense of seeing residual glory as he passed By, NOT "looking God in face""
Moses "saw" God and talked to Him in burning bush
people in OT times meet Angel of Lord. Jacob and samson parents, Joshua etc
Christ in a bodily form, so they saw "GOD face to Face"
Again, NOT in His real essense/fullness though, NONE could stand that this side of heaven!

 

jbh28 asks:

jbh28, freeatlast already answered you here concerning if Jesus is God or not, in the quote of his above yours. A misundertanding of his given passage is the culprit.

Let's just say that one can't be "partly God." Either He is, or He is not.

To say otherwise is to make Him a creature.

- Peace