Isa. 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. How does God view His own purpose? Does he view it has already done or something not yet done but must be done? There are some on this forum that tell us that God view his eternal purpose as done. They tell us that God's purpose to save, justify, call, glorify are viewed by God as done and thus God view the elect as already savED, justifiED, callED and already glorifiED in regard to REALITY! Now, there is no question that God views His purpose as good as done as he says "I will do it" and therefore can speak of it as certain. However, that is something far different then viewing it as actually already accomplished and thus already actually saved, called, justified, and glorified and all is necessary for the elect is simply to realize it experientially or be informed about it. Now, Christ "finished" the predestinated means and so the predestinated means/basis can be viewed as finished but it has saved no one until it is applied and only when applied can it be said the elect are "saved" or called, or justified or glorified. Some on this forum teach that the elect is already justified before the world began and/or already justified by Christ's work of redemption as well as already saved, called and glorified before the world began and by Christ's work of redemption. However, this is a failure to distinguish the difference between what God has purposed versus what God has predestinated to be provided and applied to the elect. God has purposed the means as well as the application and both means and application are things God views as things "I will do it" not I have already done it. There is no value in God's purpose without the predestined means and application. There is no value in God's predestinated means without application. The purpose, means and application cannot be separated from each other and individually be regarded as making salvation already complete without the other. The purpose might be regarded as a completed purpose. The means by regarded as a completed means but there is no actual saved, called, justified or glorified until actual application has occurred. Hence, What God purposed in eternity is not regarded by God as done but soemthing God views as "I WILL do it." Hence, what God has predestinated to be the means or basis to accomplish His purpose (the redemptive work of Christ) does not save, justify, redeem anyone apart from God's predestinated application through God's predestinated means (The work of the Holy Spirit). Hence, the redemptive work of Christ did not actually justify, redeem, sanctify, glorify anyone any more then the eternal purpose of God did actually justify, redeem, sanctify, or glorify anyone but is yet something God views as "I WILL do it." Only when the predestinated application of God's purpose and means has occured are the elect actually saved, justified, sanctified, and or glorified because only then does God not have to say "I WILL do it" becuase He has already DONE it.