This "thought" was expressed in the thread about Warren's prayer. What I have seen according to the remarks concerning the existence of evil as if it is God's will that evil exists so men will suffer due to evil, is it leaves one with an impression they must suffer to be in God's will. I know the whole creation suffers and groans together, that is all people suffer, some more than others, but all do suffer. What is an inevitable conclusion in the ideal that men suffer because God has an intended purpose of sorts, is that the sufferings of Christ were not enough and man "must" complete the suffering in order to be saved? I'm addressing the thought of suffering being the will of God, not "how to be saved". Didn't Jesus satisfy God in his sufferings? Or is it as some seem to be saying that we must also suffer because it is the purpose of God allowing evil to exist? Suffering is due to sin in general as well as it can be for individual sin in recompense or result for sins. I'm afraid that thinking suffering is allowed by God as in his having a purpose for the existence of evil hints too much towards a hyper-dispensation of our having to complete salvation. I know of a very few who believe the sufferings of Paul completed salvation and we nned to lok to him instead of Jesus.