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Good for Baptist Women; SBC Still Not Listening

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by jaigner, Jun 23, 2011.

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  1. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    Are they women pastors who are in authority over men? Do they teach men?
     
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  2. jaigner

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    I don't know all of them, but there are a number of very prominent complementarians, some of whom I respect very highly. Don't think we can assess each one individually.
     
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  3. annsni

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    Well, we'd need to, wouldn't we? Could you at least name the churches so I can look them up? It's too late and I'm busy tomorrow to look them all up. I looked up the first four and so far no women in leadership over men.
     
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  4. Havensdad

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    Yep. At least in that area.
     
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    No, you can't. Christus Victor makes God into, essentially, a lying trickster, and elevates the place of the devil. It is apostasy.

    Penal Substitutionary Atonement is what is clearly taught by scripture.

    Being obedient is worship. We are commanded to evangelize. Evangelism is worship.

    Oh yes it does "work." Unless you believe that God is capricious, and malevolent, and intentionally made things vague. I don't. I think He made them infinitely clear, and you and others are placing modern worldly sensibilities above the Word of God.

    Biblical teachings about who are to be the leaders in God's church, is certainly not a "fringe" issue. Outside the fundamentals, it is probably THE most important issue. The leadership of the church affects everything else. The fact that God is SO clear on this issue, yet people choose to turn a blind eye to it because of modern worldly ideas of morality, also makes it important.

    You may think that God just threw a bunch of optional ideas into a book to give us. I don't; I believe He gave us clear and specific commands to follow. As far as me being "intelligent" or not being "gracious,"...please. I am commanded to confront false teaching, not shake hands with it, and be nice. Political correctness and "tolerance" are diseases that need to be squished.
     
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  6. jaigner

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    Again, that's just not the case, and the Fosdick quote does apply, since nobody is worried about taking the Bible literally. I think we all know that we read the Bible according to genre. If it's supposed to be literal, we take it that way. I believe Paul actually said it, it's just how to interpret it in light of its original context. And that is not the simple process you seem to think it is. And it doesn't cut it if you just say "yes, it is."
     
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  7. BobinKy

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    Jaigner...

    I am with you on this thread. I particularly like the topic of Church function: Missions or Worship. I vote for both. But if it has to be one or the other, then I vote for worship.

    Last time women pastors came up, I chased this topic until the thread was closed and a second one started.

    This time, I will be with you--but absent--if you know what I mean.

    ...Bob
     
    #27 BobinKy, Jun 23, 2011
  8. Havensdad

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    Yes it does. And Yes it is. God's Word is not hard; it is clear. Women cannot be pastors.
     
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    Why am I not surprised?
     
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  10. jaigner

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    Okay, okay, you're taking your ball and going home. But the rest of us remain and will continue to engage all sides with generosity and love.

    Blessings.
     
    #30 jaigner, Jun 23, 2011
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    #31 Jerome, Jun 23, 2011
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    1 Timothy 3:1 "This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife . . ."

    You either believe it or you don't. As for me, I believe it.
     
    #32 TCassidy, Jun 23, 2011
  13. Jerome

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    Another for Annsni:

    The Rev. E. Kathleen Christopher
    Assistant Rector, Pastoral Care
    The Falls Church, Falls Church VA

     
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    Believe it? Huh? I believe the Bible says it, and if I didn't the Bible 1 foot away from me would tell me otherwise. It would be really silly to not believe it.

    And, of course, I believe the Bible. I believe every word it says was written to a particular people and is still useful for us today. But we can't go straight from reading to application. We have to interpret in light of historical and grammatical issues. If we don't do that, we're not approaching the text with a spirit of faithfulness.

    But the passage you quote gives us no real information on the issue, because of course it's going to be talking to men. The Bible was written to people who lived in a society in which women were property. Paul's not going to say men or women, because that wouldn't have made sense in that society.
     
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    This explaining away of the clear text opens the door to error and apostasy.
    Thanks for catching my spelling mistake. I sometimes post when tired and am not as careful as I should be.
    As far as apostasy goes, I do know it when I see it. That is why I responded to this thread.
    Open rebellion against the revealed word of God is apostasy.This is not open for "debate" as 1 tim 2 is very clear.
    God regulates His worship. The qualifications for eldership is very clear.
     
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  16. Salty

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    I found the denominations for the two listed

    Evangelical Free

    Anglican
     
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    Yes, why do Southern Baptist Conservatives Mohler and Dever serve on the council of the The Gospel Coalition alongside E-Free and Anglican pastors with views/practice regarding women in ministry that have been roundly excoriated here as nonevangelical, worthy-of-disfellowshipping, liberal, Biblically-wrong, rebelling-against-Scripture, apostacy, feminist, worldly, error, open-rebellion-against-the-revealed-Word-of-God, etc.?
     
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    The word authority comes up whenever women in ministry is mentioned ... but it is never really explained. It is just thrown out as an unsupported argument.

    By the way, as a Baptist I do not believe any pastor, minister, preacher, priest, bishiop .... etc. has authority over me ... only God.

    It is a red-herring argument as it plays no part in Baptist life IMHO.

    The best ministers, in the sense of ministering to people, I have known the last 20 years have been women ministers.

    Cheers.
     
    #38 Crabtownboy, Jun 24, 2011
  19. Jerome

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    Annsni, here's another:

    Pastor Amy Burslem, Willingdon Church
     
    #39 Jerome, Jun 24, 2011
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    Strange comment. Some of the best most compassionate trustworthy pastors I know are women.

    No real man is afraid of intelligent, educated strong women ... even women pastors. There are many insecure men who are afraid of intelligent, educated strong women.
     
    #40 Crabtownboy, Jun 24, 2011
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