Good For Goshen College

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  1. jaigner

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    Check this out.

    I applaud this institution's commitment to stay true to their faith convictions in the face of much criticism.

    Good for them.
     
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    I believe they have every right to act as they see fit in this matter -

    BUT:

    from the link:
    “It’s obviously about a battle,” Goshen College art John Blosser told Fox News Radio. “It’s rather violent. It’s about using violence to conquer and that would be something that many people here would have problems with.”[/COLOR]​

    The Star-Spangled Banner was written during the War of 1812. The War was not a matter of "Conquer" (by the US) but a matter of defense to retain our hard fought freedon!

    Suppose a foreign power came in and occupied Goshem College. Then the US Amy came in and reclaimed the land from a foreign power threat. Would they then have object to the US Army band playing the National Anthem?

    As I said - they do have a right to turn their back on the courage of the US military who has fought for the rights we now enjoy.

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    >The Star-Spangled Banner was written during the War of 1812. The War was not a matter of "Conquer" (by the US) but a matter of defense to retain our hard fought freedon!

    History BY Palin? Canada invaded the US?


    Anyway, good for them!
     
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    Perhaps they are still looking for peace from that war.
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_won_and_who_lost_in_the_War_of_1812
     
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    With all due respect, the idea that not supporting war or not pledging or singing the national anthem is turning backs on the military is baseless. The Christian pacifists I know value the lives of those who are fighting. I'm not a strict pacifist, but I oppose much of the military action in recent years, but I am grieved by those who are killed or otherwise affected by war, both military and civilian, domestic and foreign.

    They are simply refusing to give in to a generally unchallenged tradition of playing the national anthem at sporting events. They are following their convictions and acknowledging the supremacy of Christ in all they do.
     
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    But that is NOT what the college official said
     
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    If the college is a parochial school it should reflect the standards of the denomination.
     
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    I agree, but
    "Every man is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." –NY Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    Mr. John Blosser said "...It’s about using violence to conquer..."

    The US has not fought wars to conquer.

    I understand that someone may not believe in war, but such individual must accept the fact of the need of defense.
     
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    IMO they are worshiping the idea of peace. Christ didn't come to bring peace to the world in the sense they are looking at it. He came to bring peace to the individual (God and man) not nation and nation. They're looking for an earthly kingdom (utopia). It aint gonna happen until Christ returns to reign. They need to focus on the gospel, not "peacemaking".

    From the article: “Historically, playing the national anthem has not been among Goshen College’s practices because of our Christ-centered core value of compassionate peacemaking seeming to be in conflict with the anthem’s militaristic language.”

    “It’s obviously about a battle,” Goshen College art professor John Blosser told Fox News Radio. “It’s rather violent. It’s about using violence to conquer and that would be something that many people here would have problems with.”

    I wonder how they feel about the "militaristic language" and "violence to conquer" in this:

    Revelations 17:14 - KJV These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

    Revelations 19:11-21 - KJV And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

    And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

    Isaiah 63:1-6 KJV - Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
     
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    This demonstrates a fundamental difference in perspective. Pacifists do not accept that need as a fact.
     
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    Two words: inaugurated eschatology. This is like saying Christ didn't come into the world to bring salvation. That's not going to happen until he returns (which, in a sense, is true).
     
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    I will keep that in mind when Mr. Blosser is getting mugged.

    Hmm, I wonder if Goshen College has security?
     
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    Maybe I didn't make my point clear, I apologize. I grew up in an anabaptist denomination, and know a little bit about how most of them are. Christ didn't say "Go therefore and bring peace to the nations" he said to "make disciples". The point that I was trying to make is that they focus on this one particular aspect "peacemaking" at the sake of promoting the gospel. (In My Opinion). I praise God for the lamb that was slain, and the conquering hero that defeated sin and death. That's what I'll focus on, thats what I'll share with others, and I'll let God take care of the rest.

    The point I was making with the verses is that the bible is full of the very thing they disapprove of. Do they gloss over these passages, or possibly use such a watered down version that its not noticeable. Maybe I'm just a dumb hick but I take the entirety of God's word seriously. :BangHead:
     
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