Good Riddance to Vermont

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  1. tinytim

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    http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=8&theme=&usrsess=1&id=172573

    "Because Vermont is now home to a growing movement agitating for outright secession from the USA.
    The modern independence movement campaigns with a mixture of whimsy and brass-neck maintaining that the USA has lost its moral authority. They argue that the “US empire” is unsustainable and have tapped into a growing well of anger over the war in Iraq, fears for the global environment and anger at the administration of Mr George Bush."
     
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    Please explain this feeling toward the people of Vermont.

    Thank you.
     
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    I have no bad feelings toward anyone in vermont... I just thought it would be a catchy title...

    My apologies... I wouldn't want them to leave.

    I wonder how many other states will want to leave if Vermont does?
     
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    We resolved this issue in 1865. It can't be done, so it doesn't matter.
     
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    It is really impossible for a state to leave the union?
     
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    That's right. Abraham Lincoln said so.
     
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    Why Not? A lot of supreme court decisions and other laws have been made over the years.

    Where in the Constitution does it prohibit a State from leaving? Chapter and verse please!
     
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    I've given up the illusion that we are governed by the Constitution.

    We are governed by the Constitution as interpreted by the powers that be. The powers that be have decided that secession is not an option, and the civil war resolved that issue. States cannot secede from the Union, period.

    The problem inheres in the lack of provision in the Constitution for secession. The answer has to be concocted out of thin air.
     
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    I read this news article the other day, and my first thought was not "is it possible?", but "what would they do next?"

    IF it were possible for a state or states to secede, what then? What about trade with the other states, border protection/enforcement, and military protection from invasion by hostile countries?

    I'm asking these questions seriously--do the people who raise these extreme ideas think these things through and the media just doesn't report it all? Because I would think the "average" resident of ANY state would be pretty clueless as to the potential for impact on their daily lives were their state to leave the Union.
     
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    It is a bunch of worthless rhetoric made out of emotion.
     
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    Isn't there still a group of Texans who want the same thing sorta?
     
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    Let Vermont go, and take Massachussetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, DC, and San Francisco with it. Most of them are just glorified counties anyhow.
     
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    There has been a large secession movement in Texas for a long time, and at one time, it almost came to happen. It was some time ago.
     
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    Yes. We are called "Texans".

    I do not think it all that unlikely that a secession resolution could pass in a vote by the people of Texas. In the legislature, it is a different story.

    And, I think Texas would be very capable of securing its own borders and defending itself when the time came. We might even launch a new war with Mexico and take over their country in order to hasten the inevitable merger.:laugh:

    Of course, the US wouldn't go for it, so what the people want really doesn't matter.
     
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    Sounds like a business proposition
     
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    Well, many folks are looking at it two ways...as an invasion, or a merger.

    Some are looking at it both ways.

    I prefer the "merger" way of looking at it because our idiot Governor is gung-ho on bringing about the Trans-Texas Corridor and has recently stated, in a private meeting with a Mexican Governor, that the idea of a border fence is idiocy.

    The man was elected with about 40% of the vote last year. He is extremely unpopular and, I believe, he is "sticking it" to the people of Texas because he knows most of us don't like him and don't want him as Governor.

    He would be perfectly happy merging Texas with Mexico, I think.
     
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    That sounds like an excellent idea, Texas and Mexico as one country. Since you have already sent LBJ and GWB our way as Presidents, that would ensure it never happens again.
     
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    The Constitution does NOT prohibit a state from succeeding. It is the same principal that we say the constitution does NOT give a woman the right to an abortion. The Constitution was purposely written to give wide latitudes to the States. In fact, some did NOT want to pass the Bill of Rights because, they feared some would think those would be the only rights.

    Check this link: http://www.texassecede.com/faq.asp

    and for further info check out http://www.anus.com/etc/texas/

    Salty
     
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    Honestly, the constitution is irrelevant. We've ignored it almost from the beginning. Does anyone think that the Alien and Sedition Acts were even remotely constitutional??

    Now, we SHOULD follow the constitution, but at this point, we've gone way too far.
     
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    If the Constitution does not address states seperating from the Union, how is that not following the Constitution?
     
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