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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Headcoveredlady, Jul 15, 2003.

  1. Headcoveredlady

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    I have really been blessed by "meeting," and corresponding here with all of you. Thank you for that.

    I have found it hard to remain proper in my role here since men read here.

    In addition I realized recently that I cannot support Baptist doctrine. We just left a Baptist church due to gross immorality. And I am praying for a Bible practicing church for us.

    But, what I have read here and seen in the various Baptist churches I have been in makes me realize that I cannot support Baptist doctrine. If my husband leads us to another Baptist church than I will be one.

    These are the things which I see here and in the Baptist churches I have been a member of that I cannot support:


    Feminism (1 Timothy 2:9-15, 1 Corinthians 14:34-36)

    Immodesty and lack of concern for making a brother stumble, (1 Timothy 2:9-15, 1 Peter 3, Isaiah 47:2-3)

    Lack of teaching and modeling gender distinction in clothing and behavior, (Dueteronomy 22:5, Titus 2:3-5)

    Children taken out from the authority of the parents and taught by others, ( Dueteronomy 6, Ephesians 5)

    Divorce statistics amongst the saved as high as the unsaved, (1 John 3:10)

    Adultery and fornication and the lack of church discipline, (Matthew 18, 1 Cor 6)

    An attitude that children are a burden not a blessing, (Psalm 127, Psalm 128)

    A lack of Titus two teaching, instead encouragement to women to work in careers and "ministries." (Titus 2:3-5)

    I thought that I could remain a Baptist while wearing a headship veiling as a symbol of my submission to my husband. But, instead I have been mocked, and told that women who wear this are legalistic, and do not bring glory to their husbands, but rather that women who flaunt their bodies and hair before other men are the ones who bring glory to God.

    It is evident here and in the Baptist churches that we have been a part of that it is seen as more holy to flaunt one's hair and body before other men and God than to keep it as a special part of a gift to one's own husband.

    But, the Word of God says, 1 Corinthians 11:5, "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered DISHONOURETH HER HEAD: For she is even all one as if she were shaven."

    I will check my pm's for the next few days.

    I may check in every once in a while, but I need to focus upon my ministry which is my family.

    And I am truly sorry to those whom I have offended by my many statements about these topics. I never meant to offend anyone, but to see if perhaps there were Baptists out there who believed in a similar way.

    I know there are some, we have talked via pm and on the boards. But, generally it seems that the views I hold are very, very strange to so many here and in the Baptist churches we have been a part of.
     
  2. Gina B

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    That kinda sounded like preaching. AND since you did it in a mixed forum, you basically just condemned and preached at and accused a number of men and their wives, all at once.
    The sad part is I'm joking and you probably believe what I just said.
    Good luck to you. Seriously. IMO you're subjecting yourself to a lot of undue hardship in fulfilling what you *think* is your one and only choice in how to live and convincing yourself of it by the amount of "persecution" you get from those that point out that much of it is not commanded, but I know you're doing it from your heart so God bless.
    Gina
     
  3. timothy 1769

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    goodbye HCL, we'll meet again in heaven one day. [​IMG] all this trouble and pain will be long gone then.

    i'm sure you know this better than i do, but i'll say it anyway: your troubles are not in vain!

    1Peter 3
    13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good? 14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled; 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

    for one day you'll hear:

    Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

    my family will keep praying for your family as you look for a new church home. my our lord jesus christ continue to bless and keep you, be gracious to you, lift up his face to you, and grant you peace.
     
  4. Dr. Bob

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    Goodbye. [​IMG]

    Can I add to the list?

    People who are arrogant and unteachable.

    People who are so set in their mint/cummin and miss the weightier matters.

    People who say they are Baptist, then use whatever to bail out.

    People who are defacto women preachers/teachers.

    People who are so legalistic that the disdain for others oozes from their posts.

    HCL, we can make us a pretty good list! Won't be too many left. Goodbye. [​IMG]
     
  5. ColoradoFB

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    Boy, this is the truth! Each of us has done something that someone else on the list doesn't like from time to time. The longer that list would get, the fewer would be here to discuss, debate or fellowship.

    HCL, I strongly disagree with your position regarding the role of women, but I 100% support your right to make that decision. It is yours to make for yourself. Godspeed.

    CFB
     
  6. go2church

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    See ya!
     
  7. Watchman

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    God bless you HCL, and your family. My concern for you is where you are going, if not a Baptist Church, where? What do they believe, that does make a difference. The Mormons, for example, are very descent people. But their god was once a man who became god. Their Jesus was produced by intercourse between this god and Mary and is therefore, the brother of Satan.
    You must be carefull where you go.
    Looking even at the Churches in the N.T., if you read of them carefully, you would be hard-pressed to find a perfect one. Corinth? LOL. Talk of imorality! Ephesus? Lost their first love, well, on and on. Best Wishes.
     
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    HCL,

    I wish you'd stay around. I appreciate your meek attitude towards the Scriptures, even if I don't always agree and even if it is out of the mainstream today. I'm out of the mainstream in many of my beliefs, too.

    The problems that you list with Baptist churches are not symptomatic of Baptists in particular but of the age in which we live. You can find Baptist churches that beleive, teach, and practice along the lines of your convictions. There are few of them but they are out there.

    Andy
     
  9. Tim

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    HCL,

    Hope you find a group you can have fellowship with. Beware of isolation. Better to have arguements with Christians than to avoid both.

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
  10. donnA

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    I have yet to see this here oir in my baptist church.

    Not here you haven't, I don't know about your church.

    No one on this board has ever told you it was wrong to live the way you do, not ever. What we have said is you had the right and freedom to make the choice of what you believe God was showing you, and we want to same right. You deny us the right telling us we are this long list of bad people(see your above post) if we do not do what you tell us too. Then tell us we are unstudied and listen to others and do what they tell us to do.Then you come on and quote all kinds of other people and sources and not scripture. The samet hing you accussed us of doing. Then you reject proper bible study guidelines. Seems your a little twisted around in your reasoning.
    I guess n matter what you are going to falsely accuse people/women of anything you want, even without any evidence of the stuff you've made up. Which is your habit it seems, since you came here. No wonder people seem to shun you if this is the way you are in person, thinking your all righteous becasue of what you do and they aren't becasue they don't do what you do.
     
  11. I Am Blessed 24

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    HCL: I am sorry to see you leave the BB. I am also sorry you are leaving your church.

    I do not agree with your convictions for myself because they are not my convictions. I fully agree and admire you for following through with the convictions God has laid upon your heart.

    I don't know what kind of Baptist church you attend, but we have veiled ladies in our Baptist church and no one makes fun of them. Our Pastor teaches on Titus 11.

    We also believe children are blessings from the Lord and we do our best to teach them Godly ways and protect them.

    We have a Christian school and I trust our Godly teachers. If I could not trust them to teach my children and back up my beliefs....I would change churches also.

    We do not wear immodest clothing (at least by my standards; but then I don't consider pants to be immodest)

    Not true in our church either. None of the women wear pants to church (they do wear them other places). That does not mean the Pastor does not preach against it!

    You can't hold the Baptist church accountable for this...it is prevalent everyplace. Our Pastor will do everything possible to save a marriage and he will not marry anyone who had been divorced.

    My church is very disciplined and (if known) adultery and fornication would certainly not be tolerated!

    I think you may be confusing doctrine with personal convictions and preferences.

    We, who do not have the same ones you do, are still striving to be Godly women. We are not perfect, just forgiven...

    Blessings,
    Sue
     
  12. Squire Robertsson

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    I would refer my readers to the Catagories of Truth listed as a featured thread at the top of this forum. The question arises, "Which catagory or catagories do the points on HCL's list fall into?" My answer is mostly CAT3. The points are basicly disagreements on how to implement CAT1 and CAT2 truths.

    As a consequence, it is regretable, HCL, that we cannot have fellowship around those matters we do agree on. So, I must bid you Godspeed.

    In His service,
    Keith
     
  13. donnA

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    Squire, I wouldn't have any problem with catagory3 if it weren't thrust upon the rest of us and we have to accept it or be branded disobedient, and now even not chrisitans at all.
     
  14. dianetavegia

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    Katie's right! Those Catagory 3's SEEM to be Catagory 1 or 2's to some who then decide to place the rest of us who disagree into a heretic catagory.

    If there is not concrete scripture on a discussion, we should give our opinons and then let God deal with our brothers and sisters according to HIS mercy and grace.

    Diane
     
  15. Helen

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    Perhaps we also need to understand that when each of us becomes born again, we are starting from our own unique places in life. The 'liberal' may well be put under conviction by the Spirit regarding some conservative things. The 'legalist' or 'radical conservative' may well start to be disciplined by the Spirit regarding freedom in Christ.

    Jesus' second Great Commandment was to love one's neighbor as we love ourselves. That includes respect and understanding. And, even more than of our neighbors (who may or may not be Christian), that respect and love and understanding to imperative for our brothers and sisters in Christ.

    There will come a time when we will all be totally aware of the full truth of everything. But right now the glass is a little dark and we are each on our journey from where we started out to being totally centered in Christ.

    In addition, I have also learned that there is no one placed in our lives by accident. And sometimes we learn the most from the people who think quite differently than we do! Whether they are right or wrong, there is a lot of learning we can all do and a lot of praying that is needed.

    We really do need to be careful about treating the Lord's personal discipline as a universal affair for all Christians!
     
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    Watchman, HCL could go to an Anabaptist church, like the Mennonites. Her beliefs are very Anabaptist, and I think she would be much more accepted there than in a Baptist church, or even on here for that matter. I have watched her be slammed many times for standing up for God's word, and I admire her for what she has done. My words don't come out on paper like what they are in my head, or else I would have shown her 100% support while she defended her beliefs. She deserves to live in peace, with others who are like-minded.
    Praying for you Headcoveredlady. May God bless every step of your walk with Him.
    Love in Christ,
    Kristine
     
  17. donnA

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    We have not slammed her for her beliefs, but becasue she issisted all of us must be her, like her, do what she does or we aren't christians.
    We have stood for our beliefs,and our right not to have to conform to someone elses personal convictions. She can believe what she wants, noone denies her that right, but we want the same right, without being told we aren't christians.
     
  18. Squire Robertsson

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    Ahh, an' tha's tha rub, to quote Brother Macpherson.
     
  19. MissAbbyIFBaptist

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    HCL, I'm gonna miss you. You have such a sweet spirit about you, and I've looked forward to your posts. You've taught me some about being more humble and meek. You are a godly example and I appreciate you.
    I'm sorry to hear about your church. I don't think I'd want to be part of that kind of atmosphere either.
    I'll be praying ya'll find a good church. I'll be praying for you. You follow the Lord, and do as He leads you, because He will never lead you wrong!
    ~Miss Abby [​IMG]
     
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    Good Bye HCL,

    It's been a pleasure and an honor conversing with you here. I will miss your encouragement and your non-emotional way of dealing with personal attacks made towards you here. I appreciate your way of never disrespecting me when I had an earnest question that you took the time and effort to answer sincerely and without guile. I will miss you. Please leave with an understanding that you have made a difference in my way of thinking and that I think of you with only the utmost respect.

    May the Lord bless you and keep you in his grace.

    In Christ,
    W.S. [​IMG]
     

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