GOP, Cruz and Kasich form first political tag team .....

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  1. righteousdude2

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    How scared are the established Republicans of Trump? Enough to have two losers work together in the remaining primary states to drain delegates from Trump in an effort to stop the Donald before Cleveland.

    How cowardly is this? If these guys think millions of voters will sit idly by on the butts and let one of these losers try to force a brokered convention with the hopes of gaining the nomination on a later vote, they have another thing coming. I don't think there has been anything like this before, and what I see happening is the end of the GOP.

    DO ANY OF YOU THINK TRUMP WILL NOT RUN ON A THIRD PARTY TICKET, if these guys try to steal from the people, the popular candidates nomination?
     
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    As I understand it, time is running out (a matter of the long established filing deadlines in the various states) for Mr. Trump to appear on the ballot as a third party candidate.
     
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    Plenty scared. Not only will Hillary wipe the floor with him but he will taint the GOP ticket down the line, endangering their majorities in the House and Senate. This could be the breakup of the GOP.

    It's survival.

    Like what? Violence?


    Well, you can thank Donald for that.

    Trump will not run on a third party ticket. He ran for President on a whim, never intending to be in it to win it. Running on a third party ticket would be expensive; he loves money too much to try to run third party, especially since he knows he can't win.

    Until he won his home state of New York, Trump had never won a primary with more than 50% of the vote. And he's not popular. He's got the highest unpopularity ratings of any candidate in history.
     
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    If he was as 'popular' as the Trumpies claim, he would have clinched the nomination already.
     
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    If he doesn't clinch the nomination before the convention, this will just about for sure mean that he'll run as a third party candidate.

    However the deadline to register as such looms in Texas, May 9th, with almost 80,000 signatures. North Carolina's deadline is June 9 with about 90,000 siggies needed. Illinois, Indiana, and New Mexico are late June with the majority of the rest after the convention in July and August, and about 5 in September.

    With the Texas deadline in a couple of weeks, he'll have to hurry. But if he runs as a third party candidate , he'll no longer be trying to win but to make things really bad for the GOP.

    We already know how childish he is.
     
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    Good! and Cruz is not establishment. However, Trump is a liar and not showing who he really is. He is an opportunist and quite frankly I think he could be worse that Hillary the more I see of him.
     
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    If you tied me up and put a pen in my hand and moved my hand to write something, of the candidates left, I'd do everything within my power to make sure I didn't spell Donald Trump.Biggrin
     
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    That move will probably merely add momentum to the anti-Establishment movement and better Trumps's chances to get the 1237.

    ...and no logically reasonable minded persons believes the rhetoric that Trump has the "highest unpopularity ratings of any candidate in history" for not getting over 50% if they are unpretentious enough to figure in that there were never in history 17 candidates to contend with and/or the level overzealous Establishment "spoilers" with some staying in the race to siphon off votes and others who have dropped out holding back their delegates, and/or these Establishment Elitists willing to risk it all to promote propaganda, even to the point of damaging their own party and forsaking the election to the opposition as long as they can keep their jobs and the special interests checks coming in to them.

    It will certainly be interesting to watch shifting take place as the GOPEEs take their lashes and get put into their place - that the government works for the people, not visa versa. Will there be enough momentum to reclaim the GOP party for the people? It just may be the time...
     
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    I was responding to the claim of Trump being "the popular candidate" with two factoids.
    1. He hadn't won over 50% of any state until NY.
    2. He's got the highest unfavorable/unpopularity ratings in history.

    While somewhat tangentially related, not getting over 50% of the vote is not the same thing as unpopularity ratings.


    As candidate after candidate has dropped out Trump has barely moved the needle on his percentage of primary votes he's captured. He started out around 33% and has now climbed into the upper 30's. This after 14 other candidates have dropped out. If he's so popular why hasn't he blown past Cruz?
     
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    Probably because of the level of rhetoric backed by the GOPE who would rather commit suicide for the party than lose their jobs and special interests checks.
     
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    I doubt the average citizen knows about any GOP statements, except perhaps when Mitt Romney made a statement.

    Supporting Trump is the suicidal move.
     
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    I'm just wondering what Cruz would have said - if Kasich and Trump had that "aggrement"
     
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    I think this is exactly right. As someone who has voted for every Republican Presidential candidate since Reagan (since I was old enough to vote), I will NOT vote for Trump if he is the candidate.

    There are many more out there like me.

    The Republican Party is not likely to win this time around because of Trump. If they nominate Trump, they will lose not only the election, but the respect of those who have been supporters for so many years. If they don't nominate Trump, they will lose quite a few people who believe Trump's rhetoric and they won't have enough support to win.

    At least by not nominating Trump, they can salvage what is left of the GOP for another try after four years of Hillary and Bill Clinton's antics.
     
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    Probably nothing. He's a politician and is accustomed to back room deals, logrolling, etc.

    We know what Trump said. He likened it to colluding, and said if one colludes in business or in the stock market you go to jail. The implied statement is that Cruz and Kasich are crooks. Of course we all know that deals like this is politics. Apparently Trump doesn't know this.
     
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    Circa 2005.

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    Circa a long time ago.Sneaky
     
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    #NeverTrump.
     
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    Not nominating Trump will destroy the GOP too - why bother to attend a caucus or vote in a primary if some "insiders" are going to override your choice?

    If he goes down in flames versus Hillary (and he probably won't), they can just run somebody else against her in four years.

    The "alliance" will backfire, and least on Cruz. They should have done this three months ago, as Trump himself said, it is a matter of rigging and legal collusion. It's a turn-off.
     
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    Party rules require a candidate received a majority of the delegates. Not a plurality. A majority.

    Furthermore, the nominee is the candidate put forth BY the party, so they can control who their nominee will be.

    I would think your argument would apply much more to the Dems and their superdelegates, than to the GOP.

    Where do you get this idea that Trump can beat Hillary? Certainly not from the 35+ polls that show her bearing him!

    How will it backfire? Cruz will win Indiana and Kasich will win delegates in Oregon and New Mexico. Enough to deny Trump a first ballot victory at the convention.



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    Okay, right there is where we disagree - I think Trump will have enough to get their on the first ballot and this Cruz/Kasich alliance is too little too late, and Kasich is already reneging.

    I think it's all over and Trump will sweep tomorrow and he's ahead in Indiana. He hired Manafort, who is a delegate specialist and he thinks Trump will finish over 1247.

    The general election polls shouldn't be taken too seriously right now, but I'd like to see the numbers in states like Ohio, Florida, Missouri . . . Romney won Ohio by more than twenty points but lost in New York by over twenty points. Putting that number nationally is a distortion.
     
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    Trump will not win Pennsylvania. Since it's such a screwy system we won't know who wins until the convention. Only Delaware and Maryland are winner take all states. Trump should get all 54 delegates in those two states. He should get at least half of the 28 delegates in Connecticut. Same thing in Rhode Island.

    Polls may show Trump winning in Indiana but remember these polls are asking the general public, they are not drilling down to the district level. Indiana is a winner take all by congressional district state. Cruz and Kasich will do well there. Trump might be lucky to get 3 delegates out of the 57 available.
     
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