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Discussion in 'Politics' started by LeBuick, Dec 30, 2008.
Yep...a party on the verge of collapse.
Talk about eating your weak, Bush was in a very vulnerable spot and really didn't have a choice. The nation was on the verge of total economic collapse and the people just voted via an resounding election that doing nothing was not acceptable. Now I guess he'll loose that 20% popularity rating. I'm still wondering who that 20% is? He can't have that much family.
This would be excellent. It's about time somebody actually stood up to him, instead of just talking about it.
Go GOP !!!!!!
President Bush's political career is finished. This is not so much about attacking him as it is about calling the GOP back to its conservative free market roots. This is sending a message to the RINOs (Republican In Name Only) in Congress that we will no longer put up with their nonsense.
That I'll take, Bro. B.B. !!!!!
Any new supporters for my repeated (ad nauseam) statement that Bush is the worst President in history?
No. That's still F.D.R. Shows you how bad papalish cult figureheads can be.
Perhaps we could retroactively charge him, as well.
This theme was repeated many times during the election, and the major reason true conservatives were forced to choose between a conservative third party that had no chance of winning and a liberal Republican. There was nothing for conservatives to rally around. I agree with the above poster, Bush's liberal agenda may result in the demise of the Republican Party over time.
I said this before and must repeat it, the GOP is about to split. There is the moderate GOP like Bush and McCain then there is the ultra conservatives that would put their own up on charges of socialism. If this thing flies, it will split the party and the balance of the ultra conservatives won't have enough headcount to elect a cub scout troop leader.
You can hope.
You are right. A party that is too far right or too far left of the middle of the road American mainstream will not have enough backers to make much of an impact on American politics.
It looks like the circular firing squad is about to open fire.
Y'all are using "Republicans" and "Conservatives" interchangeably - big mistake!!
While they MAY be the same, it ain't necessarily so.
In '94 the R takeover of the legislature was evidence that a majority of people were looking for (drum roll------) CHANGE, but unfortunately the only change was in the label makeup of congress; not the practices.
Now if some candidates were to spring up that espoused TRUE CONSERVATISM, could show that it was honest & not just talk, had the background to prove their conservatism, you would see quite a different face on American politics muy pronto.:thumbs:
This is of course assuming that by this "Idealistic" election cycle the vote of the average "Joe" means anything. This is certainly a questionable point.:tear:
All this talk of a split in the GOP and the great divide between the "ultra right" conservatives and the "vast majority" of moderate Republicans is just wishful thinking on the part of liberal Dems. They tried to make the same arguments when Ronald Reagan was moving to the front of GOP leadership. The GOP did not split when Reagan took steps to move it back to its conservative roots and remove the Republican Country Club Blue-bloods from the GOP power structure. It will not split now. Why? Because there really is no "vast majority" of moderate Republicans. It is just that many of us have been duped into thinking that we must move to the center (i.e. become more liberal) in order to with elections. Well, here's a news flash for ya: It is not about winning elections. It is about standing on principles and tried and true conservative principles win the day for the vast majority of Americans every time.
That's good for you since the two GOP presidents since Ronald Reagan have not been anywhere near as conservative as he was and the three GOP presidents before him were not anywhere near as conservative as he was.
Conservatives don't win very often on a presidential level. It's a good idea for them not to be overly desirous of doing so.
Your post seems reasonable. The problem is not a lot of moderate/liberal republicans, it is a President that ran as a conservative and turned out liberal, as was the nominee this year. When the Republican party starts nominating truly conservative candidates again and running the country on those principles, they will win. If not, they will cease to exist.
That's the point, when the two were together they were an unbeatable force. Now that there is separation they have diluted their voting power.
Reagan was a single leader and the glue that bound both sides collectively in one voting demographic. The GOP doesn't have such a leader now or should I say that person has yet to surface. As you see it taking shape, the ultra conservatives have their eyes on far right thinkers while the moderates like Bush and McCain types.
Trivia... Did you know Reagan raised the public deficit from $700 billion to over $3 trillion. He was not as far right as he sounded in his sound bites like "Government isn't the solution, Government is the problem". He would then go and proceed to spend so both sides were happy. One got their lip service and tax cuts while the other got their spending and programs.
I agree (sort of), and why is it that Bush and McCain turned out to be conservative on some things (like national defense) and then spend like drunken liberals while endorsing liberal ideals like cap-in-trade etc.? Because they have fallen for the idea that they need to move to the center so they win elections. Well that did not work so well for McCain now did it? The other problem is that we now have a lot of Republicans in Congress that are RINOs and they need to hear the message that they had better get fully on board with the conservative train or get ready to pack their bags.
From a pragmatic perspective, conservative Republicans NEED RINOs. There is no way that the GOP could ever produce a majority in Congress without moderate or liberal republicans.
You aren't going to be able to get elected as a conservative Republican in a moderate to liberal state. It's just not going to happen. While I hear people all the time exaggerating by saying that a "true" conservative would win in a landslide, it's simply not the case. California will either go Democrat or liberal Republican. The days of Reagan are over.
The GOP can't win enough seats in the northeast with social conservatives. Look at Maine--two GOP senators, both moderate to liberal.