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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by evangelist6589, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. Aaron

    Aaron Member
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    But it is sin.
     
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    PT, here is "my personal take". I don't perceive "intimate" sin as being worse than other sin, or least I do not feel qualified to make that judgement....but I do think that "intimate" sin affects us in deeper and perhaps more profound ways. Maybe that is why we are cautioned more in scripture to put that away.
     
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    Those intimate sins we do with our bodies. Now, can someone truly be a gay christian, defiling their bodies against their nature?
     
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    I don't have an answer for you, other than to say, yes I believe that someone can be a Christian and struggle with this intimate natured sin.

    Attempting to redefine such standards with loud and militant cries that it is simply who I am without a heart posture which acknowledges that God requires differently of us....I think is wrong.
     
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    Personally, I would say most likely "no." Speaking from experience, the vast majority of the gay people I have met have been quite staunchly against Christianity and hateful toward God. Not all, though, as I know a couple who still claim Jesus as their Lord and savior. While I'm highly in doubt of that confession, I do not feel it is necessarily my place to openly condemn them. I can ask them about it, and if they affirm their stance, then I prefer to let God sort it out through whatever means He determines. If we call into question the salvation of anyone who sins, then we'd be calling into question a lot of people. I'd be included. My fault is gluttony, as I'm fat and make no bones about it. I'm losing weight, but it's not an easy task. Does that make sense?
     
  6. convicted1

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    Christ atoned for sins, and yes, those sins, too, per 1 Cor. 6. But I would be leery of calling someone a Brother or Sister who lived such a lifestyle as that. The bride and groom is a picture of the church and Christ.
     
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    This post was your post #6,666. Oooooooh...:laugh:
     
  8. Aaron

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    If after two or three admonitions they refuse to acknowledge their behavior as sin, and refuse to seek help, they are to be put out of the church.
     
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    An honest and sincere question. Will God save them while still living that way? What I mean is that once the calling has been placed, would they realize how wrong it is and then change?
     
  10. PreachTony

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    Allow me to answer with an honest and sincere question:
    Once you were saved, did you realize how wrong each and every one of your sins were? Or did it take you a while to come around to the knowledge of how wrong you were?

    As one who will admit to having sinned after salvation, as I believe man is not free of his sin nature, even after being saved, but will be freed from it in the glorified and incorruptible body promised in 1 Corinthians 15, I see man after salvation has having to overcome his old tendency, now firmly guided by the hand of the Lord, if the man will be willing to listen to the Lord. We do still have a tendency to be stubborn and obstinate toward the will of God, as these carnal bodies are ever at war with the Spirit.
     
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    Interesting. My experience is nearly the mirror image of yours.

    Yes. I have no standing to condemn persons. That's not my business. I can help by presenting a biblical example of appropriate sexuality - in word and action - and teach people how not to live by their impulses/desires, but the work of transformation is God's.
     
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    Yes.

    I believe if we look at Scripture at the number of vile things that say Samson or Solomon or King David did, just from a sexual standpoint, the answer is a resounding yes.

    If people can commit adultery and fornicate and still not be snatched from God's hand, then you can indeed do so with the same sex.
     
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    It would make for one miserable Christian.
     
  14. Zaac

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    That's interesting Tony. Most of the gay people I have met want to have a relationship with God, but not with the people of God because of how they have been treated.

    I think if you used some of the personalities on this board as an example, I could really see why that would be the case.

    Perhaps it's difficult for them to see God because the "people of God" are in the way.

    We have to love people to Jesus. If they are gay and unsaved, then they are acting the way unsaved folks should.

    Share the love of Christ with them and keep telling them how to be saved if they aren't.

    And we need to remember, that if we convince them that the homosexual offense IS a sin, they STILL have all the other unforgiven sin that needs to be dealt.

    SO in love, we have to view people as not homosexual sinners in need of convincing about one sin, but sinners PERIOD in need of a Savior to forgive ALL of their sins.

    Don't let them frame the conversation. Because they will try to box you in with the one sin. But we have to lovingly let them know about a Savior who can forgive them of ALL of their sin.
     
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    Perhaps. But we all fall short and are in the midst of being sanctified more and more each day into the likeness and character of Jesus if we are growing.

    I've been around a lot of folks. And I've found that I would much rather be around someone struggling with sexual sin than I would with someone who seems to have lost the ability to be compassionate and loving.

    Love seems to be growing scarce in the church.
     
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    I think your question is: does their lifestyle cut them off from the grace of God? It is God's grace that works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.

    Put that way, the answer is no. Consider the incestuous Corinthian Christian. He was delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so his spirit may be saved. We need to revisit the reasons for the institution of church discipline.
     
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    But such an one needs to be put out of the church.
     
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    Absolutely. Whether or not they be heterosexual or homosexual. If they want to continue in UNREPENTANT sin, they are to be removed from the church.
     
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    Preaching repentance to the gays and the truth is the most living thing we could do. However all too often people want a tolerant message and then call the gospel hate and those that proclaim it hate mongers.
     
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    Because you shouldn't be preaching repentance to "the gays". You should be preaching repentance to the unrepentant sinner.

    Stop viewing them as just gay. That's part of the devil's scheme. If he can get you to focus on that one thing, it'll put a wall up between you and any conversation with them.

    Deal with them as you would any other unrepentant sinner in need of forgiveness of ALL of their sins, not just one.
     
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