Government to pastor: Renounce your faith!

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  1. hillclimber1

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    http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66704

    A Canadian human rights tribunal ordered a Christian pastor to renounce his faith and never again express moral opposition to homosexuality, according to a new report.

    In a decision dated May 30 in the penalty phase of the quasi-judicial proceedings run by the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal, evangelical pastor Stephen Boisson was banned from expressing his biblical perspective of homosexuality and ordered to pay $5,000 for "damages for pain and suffering" as well as apologize to the activist who complained of being hurt.

    Andreachuk noted that Lund, who brought the complaint, wasn't, in fact, injured.

    "In this case there is no specific individual who can be compensated as there is no direct victim who has come forward," she wrote.

    However, that did not stop her from ordering the payment anyway.
     
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    Barack Obama will greet this as good news.

    insert Carpro's sig, here.
     
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    I guess free speech isn't a guarantee in Canada. Sad.

    I'd so hope that it doesn't happen here but I'm afraid it might. But the Constitution does say "or prohibit the free exercise thereof" in speaking of religion, I'd hope that our rights will be protected.

    Very sad.
     
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    This is an exaggeration. Please show me where any governmental agency ordered him to renounce his faith.

    The response of the church to this is puzzling. Here are some extracts from the letter to the newpaper that got this pastor into trouble in the first place:

    Here is an extract from Pastor Boisson's letter:

    "From kindergarten class and on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators. Our children are being victimized by repugnant and pre-mediated strategies, aimed at desensitizing and eventually recruiting our young children into their camps."

    and this (I added the bolding)

    "Homosexual rights activists and those that defend them...as immoral as the pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps that plague our communities." ...."take whatever steps are necessary to reverse the wickedness" of the "homosexual machine."

    This is not Godly rebuke. It is hate-mongering exaggeration capped with an arguably veiled legitimization of "laying a smack-down" on homosexuals. Any reasonable person will discern that the letter was intended to inflame and engender division, not to rebuke sin and invite repentance and healing.

    And don't anyone dare to misrepresent me as therefore asserting that homosexual behaviour is not sin....
     
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    A side note on free speech, independent of the degree to which it is or is not guaranteed in Canada.

    "Free speech" - in the sense of being able to say pretty much anything you want to say - is certainly not a Scriptural value:

    Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. Whoever blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.7

    If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods,” . . . you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him.8

    I am not suggesting that we follow these laws in our times. But let's not confuse American (or Canadian or whatever) cultural values for Scriptural ones.
     
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    Boisson is right and commend him on his stand. The word "hate" has become subjective so as to be able to move the bar so that it can be used as a political tool for power and to shut down opposition to ungodly, perverted, disgusting and depraved behavior.

    This is a hill on which to die.
     
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    Agreed......
     
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    Thread title, as usual, is misleading. Nothing was said about renouncing faith.

    The official decision is here.
     
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    Yep, this is where we are headed with Obama and the rest of the hate crime loving dems.
     
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    I commend the pastor for expessing his views against homosexuality.

    The government of Canada is completely unjustified in its reaction.

    I pray we never reach this point in America. Yet I see there are already those who don't even perceive the danger in this kind of action and others who would be happy if it were already so here as well.

    We have slipped so far in such a short period of time.
     
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    The farce of an article could not possibly be more wrong if it tried.

    1. The Human Rights Tribunal != The Canadian Government.
    2. The story is completely incorrect.
    3. WND is quite possibly the worst conceivable source of information on the planet earth.
    4. The author of this particular article is either stupendously ignorant or intentionally incorrect.
    5. At least they got the country right.
     
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    Of course, not of these so-called news sites have any reporters of their own...just hacks who rewrite news wire stuff, and very poorly at that. They violate every precept of sound journalism.
     
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    Yes or No: Is this decision an assault on proclaiming the Word of God?
     
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    Is the point that the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission is an agency of a provincial government rather than the federal government? In the broad sense it is the Canadian government since there is not the same autonomy between them as between state and federal governments in the USA. I understand that the provincial governments do have jurisdiction in matters of property and civil rights albeit under the federal constitution. Even if that point is argued it seems insignificant to the view that this has happened in Canada by direct and deliberate government action.

    I don't think the story is not completely wrong! The story, as reported, may reach some broader conclusions than are literally stated in the official ruling of the court - i.e. "renounce your faith" weren't the words they used - but the impact of it is exactly that! That impact is an order for a man to suppress public statements made against the sinful nature and consequences of homosexual contact and the need to stand firmly against it. He was certainly passionate about it but no more so than those who advocate it! If a man can not speak out against sinful conduct - whether it is homosexuality, adultery, murder, stealing, or whatever God has defined as sinful acts - then that man is forced to remain silent thereby disobeying God's charge to preach His message. If he abides by this he has, in effect, renounced his faith believing that's man's laws are superior to God's laws.

    World News Daily, although interesting at times, isn't on my list of favorites but neither is CNN, ABC, CBS, or NBC all of which have some bias in their presentation of "facts". FoxNews is my favorite but even it has some bias although normally in the opposite direction as those I dislike.

    Please explain why you think the author "stupendously ignorant" or "intentionally incorrect". What did he write that is that far from the truth when compared against the original news paper article, the governments investigation, the governments conclusion, and now the governments condemnation?

    But more importantly, exactly what part of pastor Stephen Boissoin's letter published on June 17, 2002 in the Red Deer Advocate under the headline “Homosexual Agenda Wicked” was not accurate?

    A case can certainly be made that a subsequent attack on a local gay boy by others was wrong but that was not what Stephen Boissoin did nor advocated. If it had been then he could have been charged with a criminal offense which he was not. The beating was used as justification to silence Boisson's preaching against homosexuality and therein is the problem. Extrapolate that to America and Christians will be silenced on any number of stands against sinful conduct least it offend those engaged in it. That's the significance and danger of this type "hate speech" law enforcement.
     
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    Unfortunately, many are of the opinion that our rights are protected by a 200+years old document.

    The truth is, it is not the document that keeps our rights.....but the consistant exercise of those rights and the willingness to defend those rights....whether they be exercised by someone with whom we agree or abhor!

    Those precious rights are God given.....
    But that requires a moral people who believe in God; and those who don't to respect the moral principals of those who do.
     
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    What exactly did Stephen Boissoin have to say that should be prohibited and for which he should apologize? Perhaps it would be good to read the whole of it to see what "offense" this man committed that landed him in trouble with the Canadian government? I conclude he did nothing wrong at all!

    Following is his letter as published June 17, 2002 in the Red Deer Advocate:

    "Homosexual Agenda Wicked
    June 17, 2002
    Red Deer Advocate

    The following is not intended for those who are suffering from an unwanted sexual identity crisis. For you, I have understanding, care, compassion and tolerance. I sympathize with you and offer you my love and fellowship. I prayerfully beseech you to seek help, and I assure you that your present enslavement to homosexuality can be remedied. Many outspoken, former homosexuals are free today.

    Instead, this is aimed precisely at every individual that in any way supports the homosexual machine that has been mercilessly gaining ground in our society since the 1960s. I cannot pity you any longer and remain inactive. You have caused far too much damage.

    My banner has now been raised and war has been declared so as to defend the precious sanctity of our innocent children and youth, that you so eagerly toil, day and night, to consume. With me stand the greatest weapons that you have encountered to date - God and the "Moral Majority." Know this, we will defeat you, then heal the damage that you have caused. Modern society has become dispassionate to the cause of righteousness. Many people are so apathetic and desensitized today that they cannot even accurately define the term "morality."

    The masses have dug in and continue to excuse their failure to stand against horrendous atrocities such as the aggressive propagation of homo- and bisexuality. Inexcusable justifications such as, "I'm just not sure where the truth lies," or "If they don't affect me then I don't care what they do," abound from the lips of the quantifiable majority.

    Face the facts, it is affecting you. Like it or not, every professing heterosexual is have their future aggressively chopped at the roots.

    Edmund Burke's observation that, "All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," has been confirmed time and time again. From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators.

    Our children are being victimized by repugnant and premeditated strategies, aimed at desensitizing and eventually recruiting our young into their camps. Think about it, children as young as five and six years of age are being subjected to psychologically and physiologically damaging pro-homosexual literature and guidance in the public school system; all under the fraudulent guise of equal rights.

    Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that men kissing men is appropriate.

    Your teenagers are being instructed on how to perform so-called safe same gender oral and anal sex and at the same time being told that it is normal, natural and even productive. Will your child be the next victim that tests homosexuality positive?

    Come on people, wake up! It's time to stand together and take whatever steps are necessary to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn. Where homosexuality flourishes, all manner of wickedness abounds.

    Regardless of what you hear, the militant homosexual agenda isn't rooted in protecting homosexuals from "gay bashing." The agenda is clearly about homosexual activists that include, teachers, politicians, lawyers, Supreme Court judges, and God forbid, even so-called ministers, who are all determined to gain complete equality in our nation and even worse, our world.

    Don't allow yourself to be deceived any longer. These activists are not morally upright citizens, concerned about the best interests of our society. They are perverse, self-centered and morally deprived individuals who are spreading their psychological disease into every area of our lives. Homosexual rights activists and those that defend them, are just as immoral as the pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps that plague our communities.

    The homosexual agenda is not gaining ground because it is morally backed. It is gaining ground simply because you, Mr. and Mrs. Heterosexual, do nothing to stop it. It is only a matter of time before some of these morally bankrupt individuals such as those involved with NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Lovers Association, will achieve their goal to have sexual relations with children and assert that it is a matter of free choice and claim that we are intolerant bigots not to accept it.

    If you are reading this and think that this is alarmist, then I simply ask you this: how bad do things have to become before you will get involved? It's time to start taking back what the enemy has taken from you. The safety and future of our children is at stake.

    Rev. Stephen Boissoin"

    By the way, Stephen was not allowed to have his counter points published in the same newspaper after the chargers were made against him. I suppose the newspaper was afraid it too would be taken to account by the "great"
    Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission.
     
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    it would help it the font was bigger.
     
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    You're welcome!

    I'm unable to edit the font size after posting it but I did change it to bold which may help.
     
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    Thanks:thumbs:
     
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    I agree. :thumbs:
     

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