Graphic video of Tulsa man as he was killed by cop who thought he pulled taser

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  1. Zaac

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    Just incredible. A man who isn't even supposed to be doing this kills someone and they have yet to decide if they will press charges? SMH

    The guy's family needs to sue the wealthy non-police officer, the city and everyone else associated with the Tulsa Police Department.
     
  2. annsni

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    What do you mean by "man who isn't even supposed to be doing this"? He is a reserve officer who can do everything a full officer can do but does not get paid for it.
     
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    In the heat of excitement the reserve officer made a terrible mistake. It is like a person meaning to put on the brake and instead flooring the accelerator.

    Why a 73 year old man wants to be a reserve office is beyond me. Regardless he will now have to live knowing he mistakenly killed a man. For me that would be hard to live with.

    Was his mistake a crime? I do not know and will not speculate.
     
  4. Zaac

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    This is what I mean. According to her,they aren't supposed to be doing what he did, and this incident, is probably why.

    It's a shame that because some folks are wealthy and give donations to the police department, that they can ride around with a revolver and a taser and kill folks and not be charged.

    There is something extremely wrong with this picture.

    He may not need to be charged with murder, but he needs to be charged with something. And anybody who has ever held a revolver and a taser knows that there is a significant weight difference. Not to mention the delay on a taser.

    This city needs to be bankrupt over this because apparently the only thing that gets people's attention is when you mess with the money.
     
  5. Zaac

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    I think it's a shame that they are basically letting wealthy donors buy their way onto the police force, with the full lethal power and authority of the police.

    It's a recipe for this type of disaster.

    Sorry or not, a man is dead and somebody needs to be held responsible.
     
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    What is the factual evidence that "wealthy donors buy their way onto the police force"?

    You are simply repeating the opinion of the author.
     
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    Well, that's a bit over the top. Yes, some wealthy people like to play "cops" by riding along with their local police force in exchange for donations, but I hardly think their motivation is to buy their way into an opportunity to kill someone.
     
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    From the article:

    I don't think it is all people buying into being a reservist. It's just probably that it is those who are wealthier who have the time to actually do this since others are working full time jobs.
     
  9. Zaac

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    The factual evidence is that they make contributions and are suddenly a part of the Tulsa Reserve Police Department.

     
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    They have time to do this? Do what sort of thing? Play cops? The guy is 73 years old. SEVENTY-THREE. I'm sure he's in tip-top physical shape and highly trained in the lastest police procedures. [/sarcasm].

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    Bates, who owns an insurance company, served as chairman of the Re-elect Sheriff (Stanley) Glanz Committee in 2012 and donated $2,500 to Glanz’s campaign that year.

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crim...cle_67394595-5b09-59d1-a791-ae543e4cfcd1.html
     
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    Now I didn't say they were looking for an opportunity to kill someone. I'm referencing the fact that in Tulsa, they have given them full police authority for certain situations, and armed them with lethal weapons, in part because they are wealthy and made donations.

    The eye-glass camera that recorded this video, according to some sources, one of the donations the 73 year old had made.

    I feel sorry for this old guy cause I know he didn't expect this type of attention at 73.
     
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    See THAT's the type stuff I'm talking about. Suddenly you've got a reserve police force made up of all your wealthy contributors. You're giving the rich and already powerful in your community police power. Just an awful recipe for abuse of powers.
     
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    It appears to be a very unfortunate accident. And until the investigation proves different, wanting this man's flesh hung out to dry is not what Jesus would do. Also, suing is another thing Jesus would not pursue. Just sayin'!
     
  14. Zaac

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    Accidents don't release culpability. I could care less about the old man's flesh. He shouldn't have even been put in that position to have such an "Accident". It's the department that needs to be held responsible for this.

    Is the old wealthy man a Christian? If he is, I'd let him slide. But that doesn't release the department and the city from being sued.
     
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    THERE IS NO INVESTIGATION. That's the point. The guy shoots and kills someone else and there is no investigation.

    Tulsa Police Department homicide Sgt. Dave Walker said Friday that although the homicide took place in the city limits, TPD would not investigate the death unless the Sheriff’s Office asked them to.

    “And they have not asked us to,” Walker said.


    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crim...5-5b09-59d1-a791-ae543e4cfcd1.html?mode=story
     
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    Robert Bates, the reserve Tulsa County deputy who fatally shot a man who was in a physical altercation with another deputy last week, has donated thousands of dollars worth of items to the Sheriff’s Office since becoming a reserve deputy in 2008.

    Bates has donated multiple vehicles, guns and stun guns to the Sheriff’s Office since he became a reserve deputy in 2008, Clark said. The Sheriff’s Office did not have an itemized list of donations made by Bates available Monday and deferred that question to the county commissioners’ office, which tracks those items.

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/newshomep...cle_3d1f3fe7-43cd-5fa1-9e8c-d8b3aefe2504.html

    Hey, he donated multiple vehicles, he's entitled to ride around and play cop.
     
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  17. Zaac

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    And THIS is a major problem across the country. There needs to be some sort of mandatory special prosecutor to deal with police killings. Because leaving it up to the prosecutors who work with their departments day in and out to decide whether or not to press charges just doesn't make much sense.
     
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    800 hours divided by 40 hours a week is 20 weeks. I don't think that's quite "suddenly".
     
  19. Zaac

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    You're talking about their hours needed to become an "advanced reserve" and able to go out by themselves. I don't believe those are the requirements to join the Police Reserves.
     
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    According to the quote above, the guy had 800 hours of training to get to the position he was in. He paid in donations to be able to get there, but he was trained. He didn't "buy his way in". 800 hours of training is roughly the equivalent of an entire year of college classes (at 5 hrs/day, 5 days/week, 4 weeks/month, 9 months = 900 hours).



    I would attribute his mistake to age, not lack of training.
     

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