In a thread about people leaving churches I stated that sometimes that is because a given local body or a denomination as a whole has become rotten. Still believe that. Also noticed a few who instantly see themselves able to judge that those folks are nonbelievers. But I've also witnessed some exciting things in our town and area in general. They get called bush Baptists because they live and meet out in the bush. Or mountain Methodists. Or long distance Lutherans. Or unassembled Assembly of God. Or unChurch of Christ. Whatever you call them, they are not the old bedside Baptist of jokes. They are very committed and very serious believers. Some meet in barns, some at homes, some at community halls, some at corrals, some at McDonald's, and some at Starbucks. Some are operating with volunteer staff, some with unpaid clergy, some without clergy. Some pulled out of the UMC and ELCA over the liberal bent of those groups. Others, free grace or dispensational free grace, pulled out of the local SBC when it went full on TULIP with an attitude that some feel paints God as an ogre. Some are fundamentalist Baptists who just don't like rock and roll church. Some live so far in the boonies it makes no sense to drive long distance when there are enough neighbors up the dirt road to have church there. What they all seem to have in common is the belief that a church is founded when a like minded body of believers begin to assemble and start a church. Then when said church desires and is strong enough they call a preacher. What they reject is the idea a denom decides where a church needs to exist. They also are not apt to follow a church planter who just shows up, announces they are called to pastor there, and expects folks to "come under their authority." It is church happening from the bottom up rather than top down, if that makes sense. Either way, at least the laity are attempting to actively serve God, which is a cause to rejoice!