Group praying against preachers

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  1. dianetavegia

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    A lady in my Sunday School class is a medical tech in the local hospital. A man was brought in last week who had to be handcuffed to the bed and legs restrained. When my friend went to take blood for drug screen, etc. she said he scared her very badly. He was chanting and appeared to be in a trance. He kept trying to pull lose from the handcuffs and shaking like he was in a seizure.

    The police had stopped him going 120 MPH on I-20. He had flown into Atlanta and was heading to Birminham to pick up an associate at the airport there.

    The drug screen and tests all came back normal. They had to release him with a traffic ticket but first had a psych exam. The man told the examiner that he flew the U.S. as part of an international team to pray in major cities, small cities, any growing area.... against the powers of God and prayed against the preachers and the children of preachers who were teaching this 'false god'. The religion he claimed to be sounded like "Om-Bi" but I didn't ask them to repeat it. A Christian E.R. doctor was in the room and heard all this.

    His papers said he was citizen of Nairobi and he was in the U.S. legally. He had papers showing he had flown and was to fly quite a bit in the next weeks.

    We had two pastors that I know of fall sick while preaching this past Sunday. One, a hispanic pastor age 45, had a major stroke and might not make it. The other man seemed to have a heart attack and I've not heard an update on him. A 3rd pastor has an inoperable brain tumor and won't last the year. My pastor who just left... his 6 year old fell and split his head on Tuesday requiring 10 staples and on Thursday rode his bike into a light pole and shattered his elbow. He had to have emergency surgery.

    I've never heard of any such thing as this 'group' but I guess I should not be shocked. Have any of you heard of such a group?

    Diane
     
  2. Peter101

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    >>>>>>>We had two pastors that I know of fall sick while preaching this past Sunday. One, a hispanic pastor age 45, had a major stroke and might not make it. The other man seemed to have a heart attack and I've not heard an update on him. A 3rd pastor has an inoperable brain tumor and won't last the year. My pastor who just left... his 6 year old fell and split his head on Tuesday requiring 10 staples and on Thursday rode his bike into a light pole and shattered his elbow. He had to have emergency surgery.<<<<<<<<

    Are you implying that these problems were caused by someone praying against pastors? If so, I didn't think you were that credulous about such absurd ideas. But then you apparently believe that Bill Clinton murdered dozens, so maybe it this is also reasonable to you. Tsk, tsk.
     
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    There are all sorts of demonic cults out there, but I believe that the devil and his bunch can't do anything to anyone with out the Lord's permission first. Remember Job? Wheither or not this cult has anything to do with these pastors being sick, God is in control. He knows best always and everything He allows to happen is for His glory {Romans 8:28}.
    The fact is, no matter what these nutty demon worshiping people do, God is still, and always will be in control! Remember Proverbs 3:5 and 6!
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  4. Baptist Believer

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    Haven't heard of anything like that.*

    I wouldn't worry too much about those who are praying to other supernatural powers asking them to destroy God's people. God won't let it happen unless it is in His perfect will for us.

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    * Back in the late 1980s a bunch of Southern Baptist preachers were all telling a story (in first person) that they sat next to a woman on a plane who told them that she was a witch and she was on her way to San Francisco to meet with a number of other witches to pray against pastors so that they would fall into sexual temptation.

    While something like that could happen, too many people claimed to have met this woman for me to take it very seriously.
     
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    From the sounds of the report: we are dealing with a demonized person. As for the seeming gibberish about praying against pastors, there are many and various false gods in this world. The magicians of Egypt got their power from somebody. That is the bad news.

    The good news is that these various and sundry false gods are no match for The True And Living God. He is the one that controls the affairs of His Creation. Just ask Job.
     
  6. dianetavegia

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    I agree. It makes me think, tho, that we should all be lifting ministers and their families to the throne on a regular basis! I, for one, usually forget my pastor unless he's asked for a special need.

    Diane
     
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    I agree Diane. We all should lift our Pastors up in prayer daily.

    My children have been taught to always say "And please bless Pastor and his family" as the very first part of every prayer offered to God.

    Oh yeah, we have to saturate the annointed in our prayers and be very diligent in doing so. They are always under spiritual attack, even when we don't hear about bizarre stories like the one you just told.

    That was just creepy. Did you do a search to see if you could come up with anything?
     
  8. dianetavegia

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    Laurenda, I did not but I put in a call to the woman and her husband that told us about it to let them know about the two pastors in our town. Pastor Jose died this afternoon at 45 from a massive stroke.

    I wanted to get the name of the religion again in case I'm off base. I declare that it's harder to pay attention during menopause! LOL. Sometimes I don't remember things for 2 minutes!

    Thank you for your reminder that we MUST pray for our pastors. I'm going to start tonight with Nick!

    Diane
     
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    WARNING: Information regarding an obscure occultic group follows!


    Actually Diane, you got me thinking…

    For some reason this afternoon I thought of Palo Mayombe, an Afro-Caribbean occultic religion that involves the sacrifice of animals and uses human body parts in its rituals. (There was a murderous cult group in Matamoras, Mexico that was discovered in 1989. Among others, they had kidnapped and ritually murdered an American pre-med student named Mark Kilroy in 1987. When authorities finally discovered the ranch where they did their sacrifices, the discovered a gruesome array of human body parts.

    I kept up with this kind of thing back in the late 1980s because I was dealing with some self-styled occultists myself although I doubt they were involved in that kind of murderous cannibalistic activity!

    While I was refreshing my memory about that religion, I came across this article on the internet. I’m guessing that this the religion of your mystery man. FWIW, the following article was NOT written by a Christian. However, it does give some information regarding their beliefs. I tried to find some information from a Christian perspective, but there doesn’t seem to be much out there on the subject:

    OBEAH – AFRO-SHAMANISTIK WITCHCRAFT

    By: Azoth Kalafou

    Obeah is one of the more unknown and obscure African traditions of Sorcery. While Santeria, Umbanda, Candomblè are getting a broader and broader reputation Obeah is still veiled in a great deal of secrecy. This is understandable when you view the complexity in this earth-religion. The word Obeah or Obi is it self a word shrouded and obscured in secrecy. The most understandable meaning of the word can be translated into "occult power" meaning a powerful engine used to empower spells for witchcraft as well as other forms for practical magic and communication with the gods.

    It is assumed that the Ashanti and the Dahomeyans are the carriers of the wisdom of Obeah. That it was slaves from west and-north-Africa that brought this current of power to Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. The tradition of Obeah captures several lines of occult transmission. The Obeah it self is best seen as an multi-different source of extreme power. In a way the Obeah-men are the True Chaos-magicians since they can use any system they want and fuel it with the power of Obeah, without the danger of disrespect for the gods. In Trinidad you will find Obeah blended with muslim faith with hinduism and christianity. Also in Sierra Leone there are certain tribes which declares themselves as muslim but who use the Quran to perform powerful magic with the help of Angels and Djinns. Similar traditions are to be found in Trinidad-Tobago as well. In the succession I belong to Obeah is blended with Orisha-worship, which is the most common manifestation of Obeah. Orisha worship in Trinidad has two main fractions "Spiritual Orisha" which are very christian in its practical way. They also avoid blood-offerings. The other one "Baptist Orisha" is a more pure and ancient line of Orisha-transmission who accept blood-offerings and function very much like Orisha-worship you’ll meet elsewhere in the world. Still I might add that Voudon is perhaps the closest "brother" to "Baptist Orisha"

    Obeah is close to witchcraft as well, but it also includes many elements you`ll recognize in shamanism. This is the very core of Obeah, the shamanistic techniques that are used at initial stage of obtaining knowledge, on a more developed level the practice will develope into forms of worship easily recognized within voudun. The impulse of Obeah is the witchcraft-part.

    Obeah can be viewed as, "a Tower of Power", an enormous vault of intelligent Power you can communicate with mainly by using dices and candles consecrated in a special and secret ways. The Obi inhabits All, that's why it is no problem to blend it with another tradition. In fact Obeah need some material to work with and to empower.

    In Obeah related to Orisha-worship (as it mainly are) you can become an Obeah-man or a Obi-man. This significs that your pathway is particularly dark and evil. Usually the Obi-men sooner or later will move to secluded places and perform dark forms of magick mainly connected to the Dead. The Orisha of the Obi-men are called Bones. Bones is the King of Death and has many features in common with Ghuede of the voudon pantheon. Another deity of great importance is Oduda, which means "The Black One". She is the principle balancing and most of all - complementing Bones. In features she is closely linked to Maman Brigitte and also resembles the indian Kali in her aspect as Dhumavati and Baghalamukhi combined. The spirit known in the outer world as Anima Sola is also of great importance, but my vow of silence restrain me for telling much about her in the open.

    It must be understood that the path of Bones is a special path not suitable for anyone. The path has a tendency to turn the practitioner of his magic into anti-social beings who inhabits what can look like a disrespect for the life of human beings. The initiation of Bones is only given to those who truly belong in this path of empowerment. The access offered to the wisdom of existence and how to change it relies on the practitioners ability to recognize his or hers own heart of hearts in a manner that draws proper cells of attunement close to the practitioners knowledge of Self in the light of Death. The path of Bones is lethal in the way that he gives his children tools and formulates of a direct and instant function that infuse the ability to severely destroy whatever comes in the Obeah-mans path. I have heard stories about Obeah-men who charge people only a few penny to kill off someone, like they really want to just kill for the sake of killing. These are rumours, maybe a few occasions has given rise to this rumour – since the danger inherent in solely working with the forces of Night and Death is evident. But the same rumours is also surrounding paleros, without these rumours having much substance in them – with a few exceptions…..

    Vouden is proper to mention at this juncture since Obeah in practice is very similar to vouden. But there are some differences, for instance Satan is personified in this tradition as all the princes of Hell are. This is due to the great influx of western theurgical teaching and the importance stressed on kabbalah and gematria.. The different grimoires are frequently used by the Obeah-men, like Grimorium Verum and Goethia as well as the 6. And 7. Books of Moses. Especially these books by Moses has a great importance since Moses is seen as the snake-charmer and among the greatest of magicians. Techniques of shamanistic quality are frequently used together with methods ascribing to traditional witchcraft. The way of the Obeah-man is a crooked one but a path that leads to attainment of self. Much of this is shrouded in secrecy and it still will be. This is only a taste for the truthful eyes of wisdom to get even wiser….

    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5599/obeah.html
     
  10. Dr. Bob

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    I've always found encouragement knowing that folks were praying for me. A dear widow came into my office today (I work at the wife's clinic on Tues/Fri) and wept over me. She prayed that God would pour illness on her if it meant that I would be healed.

    Then Delores shared that Irma and others called in conference each morning to lift up me and the other pastors, seven days a week.

    LET THE DEMONS IN HELL RUN SCARED with such great faith and love among God's people!
     
  11. I Am Blessed 24

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    I agree we need to lift, not only our Pastors, but other spiritual leaders as well every day!

    They are always under spiritual attack. Satan knows that if he can get a Pastor to fall, it will effect the lives of many...
     

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