Guilt by association...

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  1. OSAS

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    I have a question...

    What is to be gained by fellowshipping with Satan and his servants here on the Baptist Board? I am just curious as to the reasons why God's Children who are supposed to hate evil like God does, play in the free for all sandbox forums. I personally have given up on all forums that are not Baptist. The satanic servants run rampant, preaching the word of the devil, and everyone just jumps in havin a good time. It is not "witnessing" it is plain old fellowship.

    Those who are breaking bread at the devil's table with his servants are exactly what kind of Baptists? I wrote the webmaster at his email explaining a few things about the pagans that come here, got no answer, maybe I was out of line talking about the good time everyone is having???
     
  2. OSAS

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    Man is a rather stupid animal… The “smarter” he gets, the easier he is to “fool”!

    Have you ever seen that “Twilight Zone” episode about the old hillbilly and his coonhound that drown together? After drowning, he and his dog are walking down this country road, and come across a man at a gate. The man explains that he and his dog are dead, and he needs to come inside the gate to enter Heaven. The man refuses to let the dog in, stating… “Dog Heaven is down the road a piece.” All the while, the dog is barking up a storm. The hillbilly refuses to enter without his dog, so he continues to stroll down the road where he meets yet another man at a yet another gate. The second man at the second gate tells him that he almost entered “Hell” in that first gate. Shocked, the hillbilly explains that the dog was barking, and caused him to continue on his stroll down the road in search of something else. The man at the second gate tells him simply… “A man will walk straight into hell with both eyes open, but even the devil can’t fool a dog!”

    Sad, but true…

    When some think of the devil and his plans, some imagine a parade of “devil worshippers” doing Satan’s bidding. Satan is a lot brighter than that indeed!

    There is what I like to call a “Coin of Eternity” it has two sides, God on one side, and Satan on the other. If you look at one side, you see God and his children, when you look at the other; you see Satan and those lost. You are either “Heads” or “Tales”, there is no third side of that two-sided coin, no matter how folks will intellectualize that there is!

    Satan’s job is a rather easy one; all that is required of him to keep people from the God side of the coin is to instill “Reasonable Doubt”. Like the jury in the courtroom, all that is needed is to come up with in any way, shape, or form to use any type of loophole to create a reasonable doubt. It is that doubt that will keep folks away, turn them away, or keep them from truly believing. Instilling the reasonable doubt is rather easy; the hard part is keeping it there, as man grows not smarter, but “wiser”. For the harder part of the job, Satan turns to his best weapon… Man.

    Man has one weakness that he has a hard time defending himself against, that weakness is his fellow man. Satan realizes that he cannot expose himself to man, because the very “validation” of seeing Satan would then instantaneously validate the existence of God! Imagine if Satan materialized in a local shopping mall somewhere, the people would go running screaming for God’s help. And during the screaming frenzy each and every one of the panicked people would be praying to God to save them, they now truly believe!
    The very sight of Satan defeats his own purpose, ergo he must take a subtler route, so why not use man as a weapon against God? But how does he do that? How can Satan use man to further his own interests? Remember that coin of eternity I spoke of earlier? Satan’s purpose is a “mathematical” one, try and get more people on the Satan side of the coin, than the God side of the coin. Satan knows he has lost, I guess he just wants a large audience down in the Lake of Fire so that he has someone to complain to for an eternity.

    Satan’s best venue to further his interests in is our eyes. We will alot of times believe what we see, not always what we hear, but if we see it with our own eyes, it is hard to ignore, the picture sticks in our mind. Satan instills the reasonable doubt, and then man himself keeps it in front of our eyes daily.

    The last thing Satan wants is for man to “worship” him. For man to worship him would require an acknowledgement of his existence, and that is a bad thing. If one truly believes in Satan, then one must also truly believe there is a God. If you as a rational person had to choose between heaven and hell, you will choose heaven every time.

    So how does Satan do the math you ask? That’s easy… Satan doesn’t care WHO you worship, as long as it is NOT God. He doesn’t care WHAT you believe, as long as it is NOT God! All Non-Christian religions do not worship Satan, but the trick is that they do not worship God either, therein lays the lie itself! By not believing and worshipping God, you further Satan’s cause. You cannot be on the God side of the coin unless you believe in God and worship him, ergo if you are not on the God side of the coin, you want to guess which side of the coin you fit into? Heads or tails folks, there is no third side of that two sided coin. You are either for God, or against God, no in-between.

    The object of the game is to reach a human at its youngest age possible be it chronologically, or as a new believer, while it is still impressionable. If we place our children in church, God gets a head start on the devil, and the devil has to work all the harder to undo what God has begun. So what is the devil’s answer? Go after mankind during that age of growth, to get to man as early as possible. For Satan to try and instill his reasonable doubt in an adult is a little harder, they have become a bit wiser, and have more than likely heard the “Gospel of Jesus Christ”. Remember, if you had to choose, you would choose heaven. Ergo the earlier Satan can start, the better chance he has of success. Yes, he can and does grab people later on in life, but only after the stage has been set in youth to make for a successful grab.

    It is the little things that kill us, and it is those same little things that we really never notice at first. Two of Satan’s latest weapons that he has equipped man with to aid in his self destruction are “Politically Correct” and “Keeping up with the times”. With these two little beauties it gives man the impression that God adapts to man, not man changing to meet God. Folks wielding these claim that the scripture seems to magically change with each passing year, with every change in society, it seems God has decided to change the content in his 66 books to meet the ever-changing needs of man.

    Homosexuality is now “ok” fellowshipping with Satan is “ok”; people including so-called “Pastors” are “ok” with the twisting of scripture to meet the ever-changing times. Television promotes every sin possible, in every way possible, either blatant or subtle.

    Satan sends out his servants to instill reasonable doubt, even here at BB.Com, Satan uses the BB bandwidth to spread doubt about God, and Baptists join right in the argument, “lovin every minute of it”! What happens when a new Christian comes on the board and sees all of the satanic babble? It instills reasonable doubt yet again; yet again Satan has done his job through his pagan servants.

    What if your church in your hometown was as flooded with all of these pagans propagating doubt in God as they do here? Would it still be ok, or is it ok because they are not in your presence?
     
  3. Mike McK

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    Guy, there are some athiests down there who are OK, it's just that the ones who are here because they think they're being clever make the most noise.

    I'd rather not deal with those guys, but I don't want to turn the good ones away because of them.

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  4. Helen

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    Hi Guy,

    There are over 3,000 people registered on this board, even thoughthey obviously don't all participate and there may be even a third of that number who never even visit anymore. In addition, the webmaster has noted a couple of times that although the majority of people who post here are from the United States, the majority of people who read are not!

    A lot of the arguments that go on down in the free-for-all section help a lot of people think their way through things they have been questioned about.

    Think of it this way. You are not talking to the atheists, really. You are using them as a stage on which to present the relevant material in whatever subject they brought up. I think you would be surprised at the influence we have.

    Here is an example that still makes me shiver: for several years I was moderator at a creation/evolution board (not here). There was one fellow who mocked me every chance he got and was generally about as obnoxious as they come.

    Then he just sort of dropped out. People come and people go and I was not in tears when I did not see posts from him anymore.

    A year passed. One day I got an email from him. He told me he had returned to the faith he had been brought up in -- Christian. He thanked me for putting up with him and then he told me something interesting. Although he had appreciated my information on the forum, that is not what had swung him back -- it was my attitude. It was really hard sometimes -- and I blew it ocassionally, but I tried to stay gracious and friendly, and that is what he had reacted to.

    Romans 2 -- people are led to repentance through kindness. It's an amazing thing, but true. The Lord has been incredible enough to use me three times that way, but the one I told you about was the most dramatic.

    And it made all the other mockery worth the while.

    We can walk through the world -- and who we are should show in pretty good contrast to the world -- but that does not mean we are of the world. On the other hand, we can think of the phrase from Shakespeare that 'all the world's a stage' and know that when opposition surfaces we can either run or use it to present Christ.

    For sure if you are uncomfortable in that area of the Board, stay out of it. But if you do venture into the jungle, be aware that it is the audience you are speaking to, not the people opposing you -- at least not usually!

    People are reading. I get emails from people I have never heard of who watch these boards and thank me for something I have said or the way I have stated something. For me, it's part of encouraging the saints -- even the quiet ones who don't post.

    And then, sometimes, someone who was opposing you with a battleship full of guns suddenly turns, sees the Lord, and repents.

    The important thing, though, is that you go where the Lord leads you and let Him speak through you.

    Blessings.
    Helen
     
  5. Cindy

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    I agree with Helen. I normally do not post to the atheists and "pagans," unless it is in a nonconfrontational forum. I do not consider myself to be studied-up and knowledgeable enough to act as an apologist.

    However, I don't consider those who are interacting with them to be fellowshipping with Satanists. Helen is right; the truth is being heard, and God's Word does not return void. You would be amazed at the people who lurk and the seeds that are being planted.

    I thank God for the people on the forum who are able to act as apologists...and if getting through to someone includes being friendly to them, so be it. Jesus was friendly to publicans and harlots.

    Elizabeth
     
  6. BPM

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    You have raised a good point but I don't feel it is entirely accurate, while I don't expect to change one of the cultists,the ladies above are correct in saying that many others may be watching who if the cultist view were not challenged would not have God's voice on the subject. In the book of Acts we find the apostles standing toe to toe with the cultists and devil worshipers. When Paul spoke on Mar's Hill would someone say that he shouldn't mix with those whom the devil had blinded. Of course not, and it also was not important that he didn't convert them, most dissagreed but some listened. If one will listen it is worth all the posting in the world.
    Mike
     
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    Amen,Mike! [​IMG]

    Elizabeth
     
  8. Gina B

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    We're associating with sinners, and eating with them??
    HOW WICKED!
    Quit waving that Bible and start reading it.
    (heard that line somewhere before, seems to fit)
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  9. Counselor

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    I believe the answer to that question is... the same people who dress up like ghouls and goblins and invite Satan into the neighborhood and their lives all in the name of "harmless fun!"
     
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    Some people just don't have a clue, do they?
    Go, bury your heads in the sand and only talk to other believe who believe just like you do.
    After all, that's what our example did, right?
    Go read the forums again and tell me that the Christians here aren't standing up for their beliefs.
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  11. Counselor

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    Winning the lost and fellowshipping with the lost are two entirely different things! By all means go and witness, but don't pal around. II Cor. 6:14
     
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    I don't think there's any wedding bells ringing in the forum, neither have I seen intimate friendships, fellowship that would lead people to believe that there are no differences between Christians and non.
    Or have you re-defined the meaning of the verse?
    NOTE what was said in original post of this topic. It was stated in so many words that to do as Jesus did is wrong.
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  13. Counselor

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    This verse is not about marriage, it is about living a separated life. VS 17 goes on to say, "...come out from among them and be ye separate..."
    I do agree that the language used in the original post did seem to say that Jesus was wrong, for He did break bread with the publican. However, He did not go on family picnics or hang out on the weekends with them. He FELLOWSHIPPED with His disciples not sinners.
     
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    I'm not too sure about that, Counselor. It seems to me He provided the picnic a couple of times... [​IMG]
     
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    That is quite true Helen, however, it was a picnic AFTER He had preached. Something like a church "dinner-on-the -grounds."
    Don't get me wrong... we should go out to the highways and hedges and spread the gospel. But, I don't believe we should have a relationship with non believers the way we would with believers.
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  16. OSAS

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    Assisting in furthering Satan's agenda is ok?
    Actually, the ones you are befriending are the "clever" ones. They use Baptist Board bandwidth to spead satan's word. It goes in the archives to be forever written? Again, what if they were in your church preaching Satan's doctrine? Are they still ok?

    Demon #1 is ok, but demon #'s 2&3 are not?

    I see...

    [ May 11, 2002, 01:23 AM: Message edited by: Guy Vestal ]
     
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    Hard to argue with the scripture reference, but if it wasn't for a few Christians who decided to "pal" around with me.....well.....the fine line between fellowship with a non-believer and witnessing to a non-believer is blurred, and in my case simply non-existant. I'm just not discerning enough to tell the difference. Not arguing here, just wondering if I'm the only one who feels this way, and if I am wrong and should be more aware.
     
  18. OSAS

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    Think of it this way, they are using Baptist Board bandwidth to spread the word of the Prince of Lies..!

    I am surprised at the "influence THEY seem to have over christians.
    I am well aware of that "jungle". I have sent folks here personally when I was on the 'other side", I am aware of what, who, and why they are here, and other places. If I was still on the other side, I would be praising them for a "job well done." They have an agenda, and they are doing a wonderful job at meeting it. I just thought it would be nice to give ya'll a heads up on these folks.

    What if they were all inside of your church causing the same chaos? Still ok?

    [ May 11, 2002, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: Guy Vestal ]
     
  19. OSAS

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    Would he had been just as friendly to agents of Satan who purposely came to destroy his church? People with the sole purpose of usurping God? I remember the last fellow that tried that was shot down along with the 1/3 of the angels... God didn't seem to friendly then... How about you, what if they were all running amuck up and down the pews of your church on Sunday? Still ok?
     
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    Maybe if you had read the post below my opening one you wouldn't have made such a statement. I see their influence is slowly rubbing off on you. As for reading that bible you think makes you a member of the cult of personality, (seeing as that cliche seems so well to use as opposed to original thought.) you might try living it as well as reading it! [​IMG]

    [ May 11, 2002, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: Guy Vestal ]
     

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