Pastor Innes and Hamilton Square Baptist Church are located in San Francisco, just a thirty minute drive across the Bay Bridge for Mr. Camping and Family Radio. Here are three messages Pastor Innes brought concerning the non-events of May 21: What We Can Know For Sure About God AM Service May 15, 2011 http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=518111624425 Harold Campings Prediction AM Service May 22, 2011 http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=52311042428 What We Know for Sure About God AM Service May 29. 2011 http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=5311118295 Some here may not agree with all of Pastor Innes' points, but he does give a POV tempered by being in the area for all of Mr. Camping's time on the air. Among his observations are: 1. Mr Camping is an engineer by training. As such, he is a numbers man. This led him to take a close look at the numbers in the Bible and how they related to each other. 2. He uses an allegorical system of hermeneutics. This led him to see relationships where there were none. Me: HC's background is Presbyterian\Dutch Reformed.