Happy Birthday Winston Churchill!

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  1. Ps104_33

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    Sir Winston S Churchill was born on this day Nov. 30 1874. I have come to the realization that we Americans seem to have more of an appreciation of this great man than his own Countrymen.

    Here are some quotes:

    “I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosities he excites among his opponents.”

    “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

    “It’s not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what’s required.”

    “Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.”

    “One ought never to turn one’s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.”

    “The price of greatness is responsibility.”

    “When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber.”

    “Every day you may make progress. Every step may be fruitful. Yet there will stretch out before you an ever-lengthening, ever-ascending, ever-improving path. You know you will never get to the end of the journey. But this, so far from discouraging, only adds to the joy and glory of the climb.”

    “All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.”

    Yes, we Americans like Winston Churchill.
     
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    "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last."

    "A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him."

    "Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement."

    "Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry."

    "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is."

    "There is no such thing as a good tax."

    "There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion."

    " You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."
     
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    Or these two superb exchanges with members of the fairer sex:

    "Winston, you're drunk. Horribly drunk."

    "Madam, you're ugly. Horribly ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning."


    "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your tea."

    "Madam, if I was your husband, I'd gladly drink it."
     
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    Peace will not be preserved by pious sentiments.- Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

    Winston rocks....
     
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    He was truely an amazing human being. His lifetime accomplishments just boggle the mind. His paintings hang in the louvre (sp?) in Paris. His speeches would fill a room. 8 volume tome on WWII. Still found time to renovate a 1000 year old house (Chartwell) dug ponds, accomplished stone mason. Not to mention the fact that he was a POW in the Boer War who escaped and eventually made it back to England. MP, PM
    Could go on and on. Can you think of any more?
     
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    [​IMG]


    "You do your worst and we will do our best"

    Winston Churchill

    Gotta love that cigar! ;)
     
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    I consider him one of the greatest men who ener lived.
     
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    And England voted him out the moment the war was over. There is no question that he was the voice needed at the time, but there were times he was not so loved. Ask most East Londoners whom he threatened to gun down, and the Welsh miners, whom he confronted, or the dead soldiers he ordered into a sure death situation at the beginning of the war.

    We tend to praise the generals who never faced a bullet, and forget the troopers in the trenches who risked everything.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    1. Tonypandy
    2. Galipoli
    3. The Dock Strike of 1911
    4. Opposition to Indian independence
    5. Thje Dieppe Raid
    6. The firebombing of Dresden
    7. Returning Great Britain to the gold standard
     
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    It seems the cynics always seem to crawl out of the woodwork around here.
    “When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber.”


    Churchill had faults no doubt. One could make a list of faults of any great man whether it be Churchill, Lincoln, the Apostle Paul,or Martin Luther King.


    There were lots of reasons for this, as any impartial analysis shows. For example: people wanted a new start that the Labour party appeared to promise, they distrusted the Conservatives who had failed the country so dismally by Appeasement. Churchill was a part of the defeat, for sure, but there was more to it than that.


    As for Dresden, he was not solely responsible, as any look at the records or an impartial history book will show. The strategic bombing campaign, as has already been discussed, was a long-held one, with many people involved in inception and operation. The Dresden raid was undertaken on the insistence of the Russians, who believed that a column of German armour was moving through the city that day.

    The purpose was military necessity, be it to destroy the armour, or to break the will of the German people to resist. It is the aim behind the action that matters, in this case to end the war as soon as possible, with minimum loss to your troops. That is what distinguished our actions from the Nazis.

    The Dardanelles is a complicated subject, and I cannot deal with it properly here, save to say that, while he must bear some responsibility, Churchill was made the scapegoat. Others were responsible too, including Fisher and Kitchener.
    In my opinion, the reason it failed was in large part none of Churchill's doing, and as he was the only person who tried to find an alternative to throwing men at barbed wire in Flanders, I feel he should receive far more credit than he does.

    I will try to deal with the other points later, the dinner bell is ringing. [​IMG]
     
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    Yep. That's my job.

    Right, indeed. And a good many great men's faults have been talked about — endlessly — on these boards. Why should Churchill be exempt?

    For the record, I agree that Churchill was a scapegoat for Galipoli; the entire British Army high command should have been court-martialed.

    Don't bother to reply on my account; I actually like Churchill immensely (so sad that Manchester didn't get around to writing the third volume of his biography). Just sounded a bit too much like idolatry.

    Besides, the jabbering parrots will probably be keeping me distracted ...
     
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    Galipoli - a stregy devised by Churchill - looms large in Australia's memory ..
    The unwillingness to let Australian troops defend Australia during WW2 is also remembered ...

    He also chaired the conference that divided up the middle east and created countries such as Iraq ...

    Maybe a great man, depending how you measure greatness, but not a loved one.

    Regards
    Bob
     
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    I'm glad you said "we", because there are war veteran's monuments in just about every American town. We don't forget our troops.
     
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    And voted him back in in 1951
     
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    "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is."

    Quite the aphorist.

    (thanks Bro for posting that - I like that one a lot. Think I could manage to work it into most the threads in Current Events and Politics?)
     

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